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Post by antares on Feb 24, 2019 13:28:53 GMT -5
Roughly using Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk as the template, I came up with this revised climate for Vancouver (see the map below where Vancouver is located at the red dot)   Let's see what y'all can come up with in this most blessèd of alternate realities.  |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 13:46:44 GMT -5
Jackie Candlesky?  I'll get back later on this. It'd be COLD! |
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Post by Hiromant on Feb 24, 2019 13:59:43 GMT -5
Magadan is at about the same latitude:  Not great. There's essentially no spring and summer is lackluster. Winter is nice though. |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 14:07:17 GMT -5
Magadan is at about the same latitude: Not great. There's essentially no spring and summer is lackluster. Winter is nice though.
The Baltic Sea would solidly freeze over for longer than the open ocean because it's shallower. Nyköping could possibly look like that, given it's nearer the ocean, but Estonia would be colder in winter and warmer in summer. Magadan is a bit boxed into the maritime stuff due to the high mountains nearby. Russia would still be able to generate a lot more warmth over the European flat part and send it to the coastline than it currently is in Magadan.
I'd say:
Tallinn 18/9 July, -23/-27 January Nyköping 15/10 July, -21/-25 January.
Bonus:
Rome 28/15 July, 2/-5 January Porto 27/17 July, 3/-4 January Milan 28/16 July -4/-10 January Genoa 24/17 July, -2/-8 January Lisbon 30/21 July, 7/0 January
Mallorca 26/21 July, 5/-1 January
Vienna 26/15 July, -8/-15 January Paris 25/13 July, -8/-17 January
Amsterdam 21/12 July, -9/-16 January London 21/11 July, -10/-18 January Bergen 13/7 July, -15/-20 January Tórshavn 7/4 July, -13/-17 February Tromsø 3/-3 July, -30/-34 February
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Post by knot on Feb 24, 2019 14:19:30 GMT -5
Where would I end up? Someone be a good fellow and please post it for me.  Cheerio!  |
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Post by antares on Feb 24, 2019 15:06:58 GMT -5
Where would I end up? Someone be a good fellow and please post it for me. Cheerio! Yours would be tougher for me to make since I'm not familiar with your geography. Your climate would definitely be drier in summer than winter but not bone-dry like California. Might be pretty snowy in winter still. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 15:10:00 GMT -5
London would probably have a climate resembling current day Halifax, Canada.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 15:15:40 GMT -5
London would probably have a climate resembling current day Halifax, Canada. That's rather optimistic given that it's on the same latitude as Labrador and not Halifax and the prevailing wind would be from the frozen Baltic Sea/Kattegat ice sheet and the frigid European landmass.
The Halifax zone would probably be around Nantes. London might get similar summers to today though, it would depend how warm SST's in the Channel would be. The warmest winters of the Great Britain island would be around Lands' End, which would probably be around -2/-8, or similar to Fogo Island north of Newfoundland. Cork would probably have a climate with Trondheim summers and Umeå winters (19/12 and -3/-10).
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Post by antares on Feb 24, 2019 15:18:57 GMT -5
London would probably have a climate resembling current day Halifax, Canada. The North Sea coast of the UK would get some insane sea-effect snow. Same with the Baltic coast of Sweden.  I'd say London would be a bit colder than Halifax... |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 15:20:16 GMT -5
The North Sea coast of the UK would get some insane sea-effect snow. Same with the Baltic coast of Sweden. I'd say London would be a bit colder than Halifax... Ice sheets don't form sea-effect so well to say the least... it'd be frozen already by early January and lift in May-June. Either way, November might be warmer than current-day Hudson Bay though. There's still a southerly path from mediterranean winds there after all. |
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Post by knot on Feb 24, 2019 15:29:54 GMT -5
Yours would be tougher for me to make since I'm not familiar with your geography. Your climate would definitely be drier in summer than winter but not bone-dry like California. Might be pretty snowy in winter still. I didn't particularly ask you to make the climate box (as I actually enjoy making them), but I haven't the slightest clue as to where I'll end up—can you tell me where my region would be if the Earth spun the other way round, perhaps with that spinning software of yours? |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 24, 2019 15:47:22 GMT -5
Interesting idea. We’d probably be at a similar position as Roseburg, OR but farther inland. Rochester is already drier than places near the east coast so there’s probably be something similar but nowhere near like the western rain shadows.  |
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Post by antares on Feb 24, 2019 16:45:47 GMT -5
Yours would be tougher for me to make since I'm not familiar with your geography. Your climate would definitely be drier in summer than winter but not bone-dry like California. Might be pretty snowy in winter still. I didn't particularly ask you to make the climate box (as I actually enjoy making them), but I haven't the slightest clue as to where I'll end up—can you tell me where my region would be if the Earth spun the other way round, perhaps with that spinning software of yours? I just used photoshop to horizontally flip the image. Not sure if your Steve Jobs-pad has image software that does that. |
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Post by omegaraptor on Feb 24, 2019 16:57:56 GMT -5
I don't know if Portland would be as cold as Maine or eastern Canada simply because it has mountains, and mountains block cold. Hard question, at least for my climate.
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Post by Ariete on Feb 24, 2019 17:20:25 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Scandinavia and the Baltics would become like Magadan. The Atlantic would still would be there.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 17:22:39 GMT -5
I don't know if Portland would be as cold as Maine or eastern Canada simply because it has mountains, and mountains block cold. Hard question, at least for my climate. Portland would have no Great Lakes at all anywhere near it, which might make a difference and also, I'm not sure whether the same mountains that block most maritime air in summer, might make winters rather cold though. It's at the same latitude as Montréal after all. So maybe less humid than there, so 28/14 in summer and -8/-16 in winter.
Seattle in that scenario would be 25/12 in summer and -9/-18 in winter. La Push would be 22/14 in summer and -2/-8 in winter being on the ocean judging by that, given the massive mountain influence in locking maritime air.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 17:25:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Scandinavia and the Baltics would become like Magadan. The Atlantic would still would be there. The Gulf Stream wouldn't flow the same way for sure, given it'd be cool-current mediterranean/desert climates off Florida and if there was any sort of Gulf Stream it could be located offshore from Morocco. The North Sea would freeze in winter, because it's shallow enough. It would probably thaw as early as March though, while the Baltic Sea would take a bit longer. Paradoxically, that might moderate coastal Norway where the sea is deeper offshore a lot more than England in winter. That being said, I'm not an expert on sea depths between Norway and Iceland so I can't say for sure how far off from the immediate coast it would freeze there. |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 24, 2019 17:35:28 GMT -5
The Gulf Stream wouldn't flow the same way for sure, given it'd be cool-current mediterranean/desert climates off Florida and if there was any sort of Gulf Stream it could be located offshore from Morocco. The North Sea would freeze in winter, because it's shallow enough. It would probably thaw as early as March though, while the Baltic Sea would take a bit longer. Paradoxically, that might moderate coastal Norway where the sea is deeper offshore a lot more than England in winter. That being said, I'm not an expert on sea depths between Norway and Iceland so I can't say for sure how far off from the immediate coast it would freeze there.
It would be weaker, but still be there. There's no way in Hell that the North Sea would freeze over. The cold-current East Coast of Canada has quite moderate levels of sea ice.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 24, 2019 17:47:37 GMT -5
It would be weaker, but still be there. There's no way in Hell that the North Sea would freeze over. The cold-current East Coast of Canada has quite moderate levels of sea ice.
It doesn't have an entire Eurasian landmass to deal with and also there are a lot of currents offshore there so I assume the water might move quite a bit even when the air temperatures average below freezing? North America is narrower which might also make a bit of a difference. By the looks of it, a lot of the ocean around Magadan does freeze over and I'd reckon the North Sea is shallower than that. The mediterranean south-easterlies might push it up though. The narrower parts of the English Channel would definitely freeze over each winter though. The North Sea could possibly see a central part that rarely would freeze over either way.
It's so hypothetical that it's hard to predict. There might be warm or cold east coast currents that rip any current logic to shreds too. It would be an interesting computer simulation.
Also, for Southern Scandinavia, the Gulf Stream's current influence is a bit overestimated if the sun is still at the current solar activity levels. The west-east flow would still bring comparatively mild air even if it wasn't there, preventing the Baltic Sea from fully freezing over. It's just that climate zones in Europe would move south. Stockholm would probably resemble something like Umeå.
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Post by Ariete on Feb 24, 2019 17:54:44 GMT -5
It doesn't have an entire Eurasian landmass to deal with. North America is narrower. By the looks of it, a lot of the ocean around Magadan does freeze over and I'd reckon the North Sea is shallower than that. The mediterranean south-easterlies might push it up though. The narrower parts of the English Channel would definitely freeze over each winter though. The North Sea could possibly see a central part that rarely would freeze over either way.
It's so hypothetical that it's hard to predict. There might be warm or cold east coast currents that rip any current logic to shreds too.
Magadan is in Siberia in a cold bay with a cold-current outside it. Europe is not Siberia, and the small landmass of Europe can't create the notorious Siberian high.
The Kuroshio current is East of the whole Asian landmass, and it's a warm current.
When Finland recorded its hottest temperature on record, the warm air came from the east.
Northern Europe would be more continental both in winter and summer, there would be less seasonal lag, but we would not be like Magadan. Period.
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