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Post by antares on Jul 22, 2022 19:39:24 GMT -5
Anywhere in Galapagos is too dry. Along with the temps, it would be very hard to live there with the very high evaporation rates. Just look at the pictures...lol. They were all uninhabited when discovered by European explorers and for good reason. Not to mention all the past and current volcanic activity! The actual reason that the Galápagos were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans is that they are isolated, small islands. Humans have thrived in climates much hotter and drier than this, and even if agriculture may be limited, the islands are located in rich fishing grounds. Then why was Easter Island populated? It's much more remote than Galapagos.
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Post by Metsfan257 on Jul 22, 2022 19:46:40 GMT -5
The actual reason that the Galápagos were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans is that they are isolated, small islands. Humans have thrived in climates much hotter and drier than this, and even if agriculture may be limited, the islands are located in rich fishing grounds. Then why was Easter Island populated? It's much more remote than Galapagos. It is much more remote, sure, but also much closer to and pretty much in Polynesia. The Polynesians were expert sailors, they settled Easter Island as it was closer to their homeland.
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Post by fairweatherfan on Jul 22, 2022 20:31:21 GMT -5
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 23, 2022 13:53:55 GMT -5
Obviously the Mediterranean region, closely followed by oceanic West Europe. There’s no doubt that region had the perfect conditions for civilization to start. Greece, Egypt, Rome… all mediterranean.
The ones who said tropical are full of sh#t, humans aren’t supposed to live in tropical regions, just look at the so called tropical countries. People still die of thirst and starvation there, that is, if they don’t get eaten by a hippo. Even the polar regions are better for humans than the tropics.
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 23, 2022 20:41:16 GMT -5
Obviously the Mediterranean region, closely followed by oceanic West Europe. There’s no doubt that region had the perfect conditions for civilization to start. Greece, Egypt, Rome… all mediterranean. The ones who said tropical are full of sh#t, humans aren’t supposed to live in tropical regions, just look at the so called tropical countries. People still die of thirst and starvation there, that is, if they don’t get eaten by a hippo. Even the polar regions are better for humans than the tropics.Where did humanity literally originate? This almost belongs right in the "general derp thread" elsewhere on this forum.
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Post by The Gior from Ipanema on Aug 23, 2022 21:21:37 GMT -5
I think the Mediterranean. Temperatures are tolerable year-round, and Mediterranean climates have predictable precipitation patterns which allows for planned agriculture. The ensoleillement hours are also perfect for your mental health. Additionally the Mediterranean is generally free from natural disasters.
It’s no surprise that the Ancient World was dominated by Greece, Rome, and the Nile River Delta
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Post by The Gior from Ipanema on Aug 23, 2022 21:26:38 GMT -5
Tropical climates are subpar for humans due to bugs, disease, as well as heat suppressing human productivity. If you notice, most civilizations in tropical locations thrived in highland areas that have cooler climates (Mexico City, Cuzco, Quito, African Great Lakes)
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 24, 2022 7:23:48 GMT -5
Obviously the Mediterranean region, closely followed by oceanic West Europe. There’s no doubt that region had the perfect conditions for civilization to start. Greece, Egypt, Rome… all mediterranean. The ones who said tropical are full of sh#t, humans aren’t supposed to live in tropical regions, just look at the so called tropical countries. People still die of thirst and starvation there, that is, if they don’t get eaten by a hippo. Even the polar regions are better for humans than the tropics.Where did humanity literally originate? This almost belongs right in the "general derp thread" elsewhere on this forum. It’s not known where humans originated, but the first evidence of human life was found in a highland region in Africa. The climate of the location however, isn’t tropical, but a dry variant of oceanic (Cwb). But it’s conceptually tropical since it’s located between the tropics. So no, humanity didn’t originate in a tropical rainforest like you’re portraying it to be, but in a tropical highland, where the temperatures are always similar to a winter in South Texas.
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Post by Strewthless on Aug 24, 2022 7:35:37 GMT -5
I think the Mediterranean. Temperatures are tolerable year-round, and Mediterranean climates have predictable precipitation patterns which allows for planned agriculture. The ensoleillement hours are also perfect for your mental health. Additionally the Mediterranean is generally free from natural disasters. It’s no surprise that the Ancient World was dominated by Greece, Rome, and the Nile River Delta It's because the dry, dusty soils were more suitable for primitive ploughs. Once heavier ploughs were introduced sometime in the Middle Ages, there's no reason to believe that the Mediterranean had any climactic advantage over oceanic Europe in terms of sustaining civilisation.
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 24, 2022 7:39:11 GMT -5
I think the Mediterranean. Temperatures are tolerable year-round, and Mediterranean climates have predictable precipitation patterns which allows for planned agriculture. The ensoleillement hours are also perfect for your mental health. Additionally the Mediterranean is generally free from natural disasters. It’s no surprise that the Ancient World was dominated by Greece, Rome, and the Nile River Delta It's because the dry, dusty soils were more suitable for primitive ploughs. Once heavier ploughs were introduced sometime in the Middle Ages, there's no reason to believe that the Mediterranean had any climactic advantage over oceanic Europe in terms of sustaining civilisation. Oceanic Europe can get frosts and blizzards during winter, killing certain crops. While I prefer oceanic climates over Mediterranean ones, I can’t ignore the fact that Mediterranean climates are perfect for sustaining civilization.
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Post by Strewthless on Aug 24, 2022 7:46:57 GMT -5
It's because the dry, dusty soils were more suitable for primitive ploughs. Once heavier ploughs were introduced sometime in the Middle Ages, there's no reason to believe that the Mediterranean had any climactic advantage over oceanic Europe in terms of sustaining civilisation. Oceanic Europe can get frosts and blizzards during winter, killing certain crops. While I prefer oceanic climates over Mediterranean ones, I can’t ignore the fact that Mediterranean climates are perfect for sustaining civilization. The Mediterranean can get droughts and wildfires, everywhere has potential challenges. Traditionally we just rotate to hardier crops in winter and make use of livestock. Winter agriculture is perfectly viable, if it wasn't then this part of Europe never would have experienced the scale of demographic growth that it did.
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 24, 2022 7:51:31 GMT -5
Where did humanity literally originate? This almost belongs right in the "general derp thread" elsewhere on this forum. It’s not known where humans originated, but the first evidence of human life was found in a highland region in Africa. The climate of the location however, isn’t tropical, but a dry variant of oceanic (Cwb). But it’s conceptually tropical since it’s located between the tropics. So no, humanity didn’t originate in a tropical rainforest like you’re portraying it to be, but in a tropical highland, where the temperatures are always similar to a winter in South Texas. "Lucy" was discovered in Hadar, Ethiopia, which is upstream from and therefore slightly cooler than this place (data are bullshit from climate-data.org but it's the closest we've got). Working farther south, I'd always thought the original range of humans was around the area of places like Kampala, Uganda; Kigali, Rwanda; Bujumbura, Burundi; etc., which are elevated compared to sea level, but still have mild to warm year-round climates with average highs in the lower 80s and lows in the lower 60s F (so about 28-17 C) year-round. That's still warm enough to qualify as tropical under Koppen and other major climate classification systems. If anything, what I'm seeing is that early humans were very much able to adapt to a wide range of different climates and environments - that's why we were able to migrate so smoothly out of the grasslands and dry forests of East Africa, into the jungles, deserts, and colder climates of northern latitudes. Google any map of "early human range" and you'll see a huge swath of Africa covered - encompassing a wide range of different climates and environments. We're more flexible as a species than we're given credit for. Acclimatization is key.
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Post by Benfxmth on Mar 14, 2023 16:36:39 GMT -5
I'd say humid subtropical, subtropical highland as well as the moderate precip Mediterranean climates are the best for human habitation. These (especially the less seasonal ones with warmer winters) have comfortably warm temps year-round (not only comfortable enough for the average person to live without heat or A/C reasonably comfortably, but also where warm-season crops grow with ease), with precip reliable enough to allow for planned agriculture. Strewthless hit the nail on the head regarding the clothing point, it should be no surprise that far more people live in warmer climates than cold ones in this world.
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