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Post by Benfxmth on Jun 17, 2023 21:38:11 GMT -5
This one is to test the fellow heat wankers, and the rest of you as to how much you'd prefer hot weather. Which one would you choose? Kingsville, TX (June 17, 2023) Rochester, NY (June 14, 2023) As for the poll, I'd much rather Kingsville. While 106/80°F temp/dewpoint combo is a bit excessive, it's much better than the suicide-inducing kill maself counterexample in Shitchester.
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Post by antares on Jun 17, 2023 21:39:27 GMT -5
Voted randomly for Rochester.
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Post by Metsfan257 on Jun 17, 2023 23:18:15 GMT -5
Kingsville TX had the superior day. No it was not good, and was indeed oppressive (though maybe not as bad as the temp/dewpoint makes it out to be because of those nice consistent winds). At least it was dry, sunny, and windy, as summer days should be. The Shitchester day doesn't belong in summer under any circumstances, while the Kingsville one is fine as an extreme record high event I guess. So there you have it.
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Post by omegaraptor on Jun 17, 2023 23:23:08 GMT -5
I'll go with Shitchester
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Post by tommyFL on Jun 18, 2023 0:17:35 GMT -5
Rochester tbh, 109 F is god dam awful especially with that suffocating wind. The high dew points don't have anything to do with it.
A climate battle between these two places would be more interesting.
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Post by greysrigging on Jun 18, 2023 2:23:17 GMT -5
I've noticed ( over the years of looking at such stats ) that this sorta data with the relatively lowish humidity values are easier to cope with than the places that have high humidity readings AND high air temps and DP's... just an observation... no scientific basis to it... High dp's combined with high humidity really is the pits!
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Post by tommyFL on Jun 18, 2023 11:53:59 GMT -5
I've noticed ( over the years of looking at such stats ) that this sorta data with the relatively lowish humidity values are easier to cope with than the places that have high humidity readings AND high air temps and DP's... just an observation... no scientific basis to it... High dp's combined with high humidity really is the pits! There is definitely a scientific basis to it. Evaporation will simply be higher when the relative humidity is lower. Dew point/temperature (aka "heat index"): rate of body heat generation. Relative humidity: rate of heat removal
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Post by alex992 on Jun 18, 2023 12:18:02 GMT -5
Kingsville TX had the superior day. No it was not good, and was indeed oppressive (though maybe not as bad as the temp/dewpoint makes it out to be because of those nice consistent winds). At least it was dry, sunny, and windy, as summer days should be. The Shitchester day doesn't belong in summer under any circumstances, while the Kingsville one is fine as an extreme record high event I guess. So there you have it. Winds don't do a goddamn thing when it's 106 F and an 80 F dew point. Would just feel like a combo of an oven and a sauna hitting your face. That being said, I choose Rochester. Upper 50s and light rain is far more pleasant than that blistering heat.
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Post by Metsfan257 on Jun 18, 2023 20:13:58 GMT -5
Kingsville TX had the superior day. No it was not good, and was indeed oppressive (though maybe not as bad as the temp/dewpoint makes it out to be because of those nice consistent winds). At least it was dry, sunny, and windy, as summer days should be. The Shitchester day doesn't belong in summer under any circumstances, while the Kingsville one is fine as an extreme record high event I guess. So there you have it. Winds don't do a goddamn thing when it's 106 F and an 80 F dew point. Would just feel like a combo of an oven and a sauna hitting your face. That's bs, but even if true, I'd still choose it over the alternative (which should never occur in a summer month).
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Post by alex992 on Jun 18, 2023 20:50:36 GMT -5
Winds don't do a goddamn thing when it's 106 F and an 80 F dew point. Would just feel like a combo of an oven and a sauna hitting your face. That's bs, but even if true, I'd still choose it over the alternative (which should never occur in a summer month). It's not. Wind has no cooling effect at those temps. www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htm
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Post by tommyFL on Jun 18, 2023 20:52:36 GMT -5
That's bs, but even if true, I'd still choose it over the alternative (which should never occur in a summer month). It's not. Wind has no cooling effect at those temps. www.zunis.org/at_least_theres_a_breeze.htmYep, also shows that wind makes hot, dry heat feels worse more than it makes hot, humid heat feels worse, which has been my experience.
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Post by Benfxmth on Jun 18, 2023 20:53:43 GMT -5
Yep, also shows that wind makes hot, dry heat feels worse more than it makes hot, humid heat feels worse, which has been my experience. In humid heat, even slightly above body temp, being drenched in sweat, wind can still make it feel a bit cooler
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Post by tommyFL on Jun 18, 2023 20:56:46 GMT -5
Yep, also shows that wind makes hot, dry heat feels worse more than it makes hot, humid heat feels worse, which has been my experience. In humid heat, even slightly above body temp, being drenched in sweat, wind can still make it feel a bit cooler That's what I meant to say. Wind reduces perceived temperature in humid heat and increases it in dry heat.
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Post by AJ1013 on Jun 18, 2023 21:39:20 GMT -5
Yep, also shows that wind makes hot, dry heat feels worse more than it makes hot, humid heat feels worse, which has been my experience. I agree with this. A breezy summer day in Phoenix just feels like a hair dryer. No cooling.
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Post by greysrigging on Jun 18, 2023 22:09:55 GMT -5
Working out in the inland Pilbara dry heat, temps in low to mid 40c's, dp's sub 5c, the wind blowing gritty dust from all the iron ore stockpiles, bushflies haunting you looking for any sorta moisture, so in ya eyes, nose and mouth.... well I simply hardly raise a sweat, although drinking upwards of 10 litres of water a day... And at 6.00am at home at dawn in Dec, 29c and 27c dp, humidity likely in the +80% range, not a breath of wind... the sweat just pouring out of you, merely from the effort of sitting on the verandah reading the newspaper and eating breakfast..... Two completely different scenarios....both are shit !!...lol
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Post by Metsfan257 on Jun 19, 2023 0:35:41 GMT -5
In humid heat, even slightly above body temp, being drenched in sweat, wind can still make it feel a bit cooler That's what I meant to say. Wind reduces perceived temperature in humid heat and increases it in dry heat. And this Kingsville TX heat was very humid, dewpoints in the low 80s, so the wind would increase comfort. Such a wind hitting the sweat would feel cooling.
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Post by tommyFL on Jun 19, 2023 6:19:10 GMT -5
That's what I meant to say. Wind reduces perceived temperature in humid heat and increases it in dry heat. And this Kingsville TX heat was very humid, dewpoints in the low 80s, so the wind would increase comfort. Such a wind hitting the sweat would feel cooling. Not really, relative humidity was under 40%, pretty damn dry. Refer to the data Alex posted. Wind at 109 F with 100% humidity would probably still be cooling, but not at 40%. We just don't have data since those conditions aren't exactly common.
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Post by Benfxmth on Jun 19, 2023 6:22:34 GMT -5
And this Kingsville TX heat was very humid, dewpoints in the low 80s, so the wind would increase comfort. Such a wind hitting the sweat would feel cooling. Not really, relative humidity was under 40%, pretty damn dry. Refer to the data Alex posted. Wind at 109 F with 100% humidity would probably still be cooling, but not at 40%. We just don't have data since those conditions aren't exactly common. Well at 100% RH at 109°F, the wet bulb would also be 100°F, so both sweating and wind would warm you up faster, not to mention a wet-bulb in the the 90-95°F range is the upper limit of indefinite tolerance for resting humans
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Post by alex992 on Jun 19, 2023 7:48:46 GMT -5
Not really, relative humidity was under 40%, pretty damn dry. Refer to the data Alex posted. Wind at 109 F with 100% humidity would probably still be cooling, but not at 40%. We just don't have data since those conditions aren't exactly common. Well at 100% RH at 109°F, the wet bulb would also be 100°F, so both sweating and wind would warm you up faster, not to mention a wet-bulb in the the 90-95°F range is the upper limit of indefinite tolerance for resting humans 109 F dew point is lethal for humans anyways, so it wouldn't matter if there's wind or not with those conditions lol.
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Post by St. Middleway on Jun 19, 2023 10:09:19 GMT -5
Rochester. A beautiful refreshing day knowing it will soon be warmer again.
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