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Post by Lommaren on Sept 23, 2017 3:15:23 GMT -5
Well PSG and Man Cheaty are only there by cheating so remove them and Valencia are very much on the top 10 bubble for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 3:33:34 GMT -5
Off the the top of my head: Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Bayern Munich, Manchester United, AC Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, Arsenal, Inter Milan. There's ten.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 23, 2017 13:12:23 GMT -5
I don't know if Valencia are top-10, probably not sadly. Top-20 tho? I think definitely
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 13:14:50 GMT -5
I'd say they slip into the top 20.
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 23, 2017 13:25:04 GMT -5
Top 15 for me.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 23, 2017 14:49:24 GMT -5
They are the 4th biggest team in Spain still. So that counts for something
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 15:22:38 GMT -5
Debatable, Bilbao have traditionally been a more successful club.
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 23, 2017 15:33:54 GMT -5
Yeah, but Athletic has won nothing except a Super Cup since 1984. The rules on foreignors have changed of course, but Athletic is "Athletic", I don't want to place them in big-club categories, because essentially they're a national team  Imagine if Cardiff had that pulling power and only fielded Welsh players, yet finished in the top six of the EPL all the time? It's essentially the same. I think the Basque country got a few hundred thousand more people than Wales. Crazy club. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 15:37:07 GMT -5
The Basque country has produced some epic players, so has Wales tbf.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 23, 2017 15:41:08 GMT -5
In this family you don't support Barcelona. If you don't want to support HJK, that's fine, but if you root for FC Lahti, we will have a problem.
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 23, 2017 15:44:43 GMT -5
How about supporting IFK Mariehamn because they speak Swedish there?  I can root for HJK for your sake though Ariete, you're a nice guy, and I missed you when BJ Swinger or whoever banned you this summer. Don't know what you have til' you lose it |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 23, 2017 15:58:13 GMT -5
How about supporting IFK Mariehamn because they speak Swedish there? I can root for HJK for your sake though Ariete, you're a nice guy, and I missed you when BJ Swinger or whoever banned you this summer. Don't know what you have til' you lose it IFK Mariehamn, IFK Helsinki, IFK Göteborg, IFK Norrköping they are all enemies. The only clubs I MIGHT root for are Djurgården and Bröndby. (Bröndby because FC Köpenhamn are somewhat friendly with IFK Helsinki) ) |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 23, 2017 17:19:29 GMT -5
Yeah, but Athletic has won nothing except a Super Cup since 1984. The rules on foreignors have changed of course, but Athletic is "Athletic", I don't want to place them in big-club categories, because essentially they're a national team Imagine if Cardiff had that pulling power and only fielded Welsh players, yet finished in the top six of the EPL all the time? It's essentially the same. I think the Basque country got a few hundred thousand more people than Wales. Crazy club. Athletic Bilbao is easily one of the top clubs in Spain, but I think Valencia is above them. Valencia has had more recent success too. That said I admire Athleti Bilbao for representing their region's culture and even for their controversial policy |
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 23, 2017 17:32:16 GMT -5
Club size in Spain:
1, Real
2, Barca
3, Atlético
4, Valencia
5, Sevilla
6, Athletic
7, Sociedad
8, Betis
9, Deportivo
10, Celta
for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 19:35:42 GMT -5
Hard to measure a club's size. For me it's historical success + fanbase + wealth. Newcastle appear like a big club. They fill an big stadium every week, have a billionaire owner, but haven't won a thing for over 40/50 years, so I don't consider them to be big. Despite having that legendary team in the 90's.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Sept 23, 2017 20:17:09 GMT -5
Man football is really hard to follow then the season just starts. You don't know which teams are exciting yet, which teams are doing well, also the whole thing with learning the schedules of the different teams, etc. Usually by October it becomes much clearer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 22:29:20 GMT -5
I agree, it's always hard to get a good estimate at this stage. It takes a couple more months to get an accurate gauge of everything.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2017 15:27:20 GMT -5
HJK won the Finnish Cup yesterday against plastic SJK (10 years old).
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 24, 2017 15:31:04 GMT -5
Where are the SJK from? We have some rediculous clubs in Sweden likewise, most of whom founded by foreignors. Dalkurd, the Kurdish club, threatens to move to Uppsala every single year. Then there's AFC Eskilstuna, founded by a Russian in a Stockholm suburb with only foreignor players who relocated to Eskilstuna for no apparent reason this year.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2017 16:03:29 GMT -5
Where are the SJK from? We have some rediculous clubs in Sweden likewise, most of whom founded by foreignors. Dalkurd, the Kurdish club, threatens to move to Uppsala every single year. Then there's AFC Eskilstuna, founded by a Russian in a Stockholm suburb with only foreignor players who relocated to Eskilstuna for no apparent reason this year. Seinäjoki. Owned by businessmen and a merger of two traditional club. Yeah. Taye Taiwo moved to Eskilstuna. He must've gotten an offer he couldn't refuse. I think he got some €150k in HJK a season, a big wage on these latitudes. |
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