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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 15:56:00 GMT -5
All lowland equatorial climates are tropical, but not all tropical climates are equatorial-tropical climates. I'm not using "equatorial" geographically here but as a separate climate classification because there are some key differences. But of course most places with "equatorial tropical" climates are closer to the equator than not. Take Singapore for example. It has all the hallmarks of an equatorial tropical climate: -high record lows -relatively high average lows -high precipitation (although I wouldn't say it must be consistent like it is in Singapore, for a climate to have this classification) Conakry is another example but has one of the more unique equatorial climates due to its long dry season and extremely wet wet season. Then we have places like Brisbane and Haikou, which don't quite meet the 18C Köppen threshold but for all intents and purposes, they are tropical climates not subtropical! Let's be realistic! I would put them in the same class as most of south Florida. Just some examples... Equatorial Tropical Climates:
Bangkok Colombo Conakry Fortaleza Hilo (one of the cooler ones) Ho Chi Minh City Iquitos López de Micay Manila @14n Nouméa Quibdó Roseau, Dominica @15n San Andrés, Colombia @12n Saint-Denis, Réunion @20s Sainte-Rose, Réunion @21s Singapore Victoria, Seychelles Tropical Climates:Brisbane Cancún (one of the more borderline climates, in my opinion) Haikou Hanoi Hamilton, Bermuda @32n  Havana Mazatlán Miami Naha (cold end of tropical due to winters) Taipei (cold end of tropical due to winters) Tampa  Tampico Toamasina Obviously, climate classification is never gonna be perfect but feel free to criticize.  I just think there are significant enough differences between these two classes that they should be grouped differently. |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 11, 2019 15:59:25 GMT -5
This makes sense. I don’t think there’s enough difference between the groups to have separate classifications but there’s still a difference that your examples show pretty well.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 16:05:09 GMT -5
This makes sense. I don’t think there’s enough difference between the groups to have separate classifications but there’s still a difference that your examples show pretty well. Yeah there are some very borderline ones like Toamasina and Cancun. |
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Post by alex992 on Feb 11, 2019 16:09:58 GMT -5
I like your classifications, my main problem is I don't agree that Tampa is tropical......just a warmer subtropical climate.
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Post by knot on Feb 11, 2019 16:10:13 GMT -5
Tropical, fucken!
Also, this was MY idea to put equatorial and tropical within separate classifications.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 16:12:28 GMT -5
I like your classifications, my main problem is I don't agree that Tampa is tropical......just a warmer subtropical climate. Yeah, I had an issue with that one too. Same with Orlando. Damn these borderline climates. |
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Post by alex992 on Feb 11, 2019 16:12:36 GMT -5
What weather enthusiast doesn't know that equatorial and tropical aren't the same? lol
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 16:13:28 GMT -5
Tropical, fucken!
Also, this was MY idea to put equatorial and tropical within separate classifications. Sorry bro, I didn't know but you're too slow, Joe.  |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 16:14:20 GMT -5
What weather enthusiast doesn't know that equatorial and tropical aren't the same? lol This is more of a Köppen-bashing thread since he classifies them the same. Should've made that clearer before. |
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Post by alex992 on Feb 11, 2019 16:18:35 GMT -5
What weather enthusiast doesn't know that equatorial and tropical aren't the same? lol This is more of a Köppen-bashing thread since he classifies them the same. Should've made that clearer before. Saying equatorial and tropical are the same is kinda like saying tundra and ice cap are the same.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:36:16 GMT -5
I think Koppen classifies tropical climates pretty well except that the distinction between tropical monsoon and tropical savanna should be less arbitrary. IMO 18C or more every month means a tropical climate. Brisbane and Haikou are not tropical, certainly not Brisbane at least. I don't consider 22/10C winters to be tropical weather; it's more of a springlike type of weather. And many climates with similar winters are quite a distance away from the tropics. Bangkok should not be equatorial. Equatorial climates must be heavily under the influence of the ITCZ and should therefore be fairly wet every month.
My proposed distinction between tropical monsoon and tropical savanna is that tropical monsoon climates must have at least 1200 mm of rain within a continuous 6-month period. The fact that Mumbai is not a tropical monsoon climate under Koppen is just crazy.
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 11, 2019 16:53:39 GMT -5
Where exactly do you draw the line? 5°C annual range?
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 11, 2019 17:24:54 GMT -5
Where exactly do you draw the line? 5°C annual range? I didn't determine a threshold since thresholds are always gonna be flawed. More intuitive method I suppose but seeing as how Tampa is not quite on the same level as Mazatlan, for example, it's definitely not perfect. |
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Post by Lommaren on Feb 11, 2019 17:48:48 GMT -5
I didn't determine a threshold since thresholds are always gonna be flawed. More intuitive method I suppose but seeing as how Tampa is not quite on the same level as Mazatlan, for example, it's definitely not perfect. Well, no wonder, because just like Alex said, Tampa is subtropical. I could accept people dubbing Madeira or Bermuda "maritime tropical" given they never fall below a certain temperature and can sustain almost any vegetation, but Tampa with its infrequent, but occuring, frosts, is a bit over the top  A climate that falls to -1°C on average every year, is not tropical at all. Madeira for example, at 20/14 for January is warmer in winter in terms of means than Tampa is. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:54:20 GMT -5
Also I think this should go in the general Weather forum instead of Climate Battles. Maybe an admin or moderator can move it.
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Post by tij on Feb 11, 2019 21:10:42 GMT -5
AS we had previously discussed, I do not view climates like Brisbane or Tampa as "core" or "prototypical" subtropical climates, but closer to the boundary with tropical climates. Brisbane averages 10/22 in winter, only 2c away from a tropical climate.... tampa is also at 16c, although more prone to cold spells... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou#Climate is what I'd view as a more protoypical subtropical climate... Winters average around 9C, which is exactly between 0c and 18c... prototypical subtropical climates need to have a cool season.... Summers are hot, humid, and wet... winter record highs are warm, indicating tropical influence persists during the winter Winter tends to be somewhat drier than summer, indicating a transition to the Aw climate zone record lows are subdued... still cooler than most actual tropical locations, but significantly milder than most continental locations this also indicates climatic stability, another feature of the tropics Still would classify brisbane and tampa as subtropical, but on the warmer side... Miami is solidly tropical, but not equatorial... |
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A climate that falls to -1°C on average every year, is not tropical at all. Madeira for example, at 20/14 for January is warmer in winter in terms of means than Tampa is.