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Post by Lommaren on Mar 8, 2019 14:51:31 GMT -5
This has to be one of the weirdest weather years I've ever seen. This small town in Northern Newfoundland separately recorded:
* No months with average highs below -0.4°C in the first of the winters, followed by a quite a bit-below average December that still ended up less cold due to diurnals than February was!
* 14.4 cm or 5.7 inches of June snowfall. * Two average highs above 24°C (way above average) as well as two months with means of 18.8°C or above. * 482.9 cm of snow in a year where the average high was either at or just below freezing all winter. * During the very cold spring, April almost broke the individual heat record. * The fifth warmest month of the year was at 5.4°C at a low elevation below 49°N, close to the ocean! * Peak snow cover only ended up at 64 cm in spring and 69 cm in December due to the diminishing effect from the milder spells. In other words, a ton of fresh snow, but no houses being buried!
* One June day in itself got more than 10 cm of snow and a 1.0°C high. 26 June saw more than 3 cm of snow and a high just above 3°C!
The craziest part then? Gander's normals are 4.2°C for a humid continental climate. Last year was 4.6°C for a subarctic year!
My rating is a C- since summer is rather good, but that extended cold spring and cold rain in October would be a bit of a problem. However, I like the idea of such excessive snowfall melting off a bit during the mild spells to keep it reasonable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 14:53:53 GMT -5
F because it's way too cold year-round and way too snowy for most of the year.
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Post by knot on Mar 8, 2019 15:02:16 GMT -5
A; Bloody Epic!
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 8, 2019 15:07:54 GMT -5
I don’t see what’s so special about it. Looks like an average maritime subarctic climate except the two summer months.
Anyway it’s an E.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 8, 2019 15:12:43 GMT -5
I don’t see what’s so special about it. Looks like an average maritime subarctic climate except the two summer months. Anyway it’s an E. 482.9 cm of snow including the intense one in June, then the bonkers heat spike from a snowy June to close out summers with 24-25°C highs for two months in a location that averages Umeå-esque summers in a normal case. It was a year that just didn't make logical sense, so that's why I was excited to find it. Either way, I'd found it rather dull had it not been for the summer and I do understand where you're coming from on this one... unless you love snow this one would seem rather hopeless. The only way I tolerated this one to be average was that the snow cover never got too high, but rather saw fresh snow all the time that made a lasting cover even during the thawing spells. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 8, 2019 15:17:53 GMT -5
I remember the huge snowfall in May as well as the one in June but I was not aware how hot July and August were, in comparison. Also some impressive heat in April, May, and June interspersed with the snow. Wtf...
Anyway this gets a B+ from me. Much better than Sydney NS.
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 8, 2019 15:22:42 GMT -5
482.9 cm of snow including the intense one in June, then the bonkers heat spike from a snowy June to close out summers with 24-25°C highs for two months in a location that averages Umeå-esque summers in a normal case. It was a year that just didn't make logical sense, so that's why I was excited to find it. Either way, I'd found it rather dull had it not been for the summer and I do understand where you're coming from on this one... unless you love snow this one would seem rather hopeless. The 2 month heat spike is the only unusual thing I see. Temps increase and decrease linearly, so no months colder than the one before in spring. The records also increase linearly and there’s so surprising out of place record temps. The snowfall is also pretty much a bell curve—not like nothing in April then a dump in June. There’s no especially wet months or especially dry months and the precipitation pattern is pretty well defined but not extreme. I agree the climate is super boring but I just don’t understand how this is a “bonkers year” or “one of the weirdest weather years I’ve ever seen”. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 8, 2019 15:28:33 GMT -5
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Post by Nidaros on Mar 8, 2019 15:48:55 GMT -5
Avg low below freezing in May and avg low only 3.6c in June, and one day with a 1c high? In June, at 49 N! And then those two warm summer months after that with avg highs above 24C.
But I have an European perspective and I doubt that combination could ever happen on this side of the Atlantic. Ocean temps are so different. The cold ocean near New Foundland make that possible at that latitude.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 8, 2019 15:51:49 GMT -5
Can't wait to hear Giorbanguly 's opinion on this one and the June snowstorm! 74 km/h gusts that day. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 8, 2019 15:54:04 GMT -5
Avg low below freezing in May and avg low only 3.6c in June, and one day with a 1c high? In June, at 49 N! And then those two warm summer months after that with avg highs above 24C. But I have an European perspective and I doubt that combination could ever happen on this side of the Atlantic. Ocean temps are so different. The cold ocean near New Foundland make that possible at that latitude. Better yet Nidaros, look at the 26th of June:
3.2/0.2 with 33.6 mm of precipitation, 3.2 cm (!) of which fell as SNOW  After the summer solstice at below 49°N near the ocean! Gander has a sun angle of 64.4° that day. Four days later, the second warmest month of the last 40 years began! |
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Post by boombo on Mar 8, 2019 16:32:15 GMT -5
An ice day on 24th May at 49N!
The weirdest thing about that for me was how relatively consistent the July/August warmth was compared to the random number generator temps they got in May/June.
I'll give it an E for actually living there, B for weirdness.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 8, 2019 16:59:55 GMT -5
An ice day on 24th May at 49N! The weirdest thing about that for me was how relatively consistent the July/August warmth was compared to the random number generator temps they got in May/June. I'll give it an E for actually living there, B for weirdness. Wilko got banned from Gander for the summer but he snuck back in, the bastard. |
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Post by Nidaros on Mar 8, 2019 17:15:56 GMT -5
Checked some stats in the database and seems Bodø and Skrova in Lofoten, both inside the Arctic Circle at about 68 N, never has seen avg lows below 0C in May, actually never colder than 1.5C. Trondheim's coldest ever avg lows in May and June are not close to Gander's year here. Coldest June ever still 2C warmer lows than here.
Tromsø on the other hand has seen 8 years with avg lows in May below 0C, data since 1920. But Tromsø has never seen summer months as warm as Jul and Aug here.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 9, 2019 6:12:10 GMT -5
While the weatherbox might seem odd at first, it's quite normal for the location. This has to be one of the weirdest weather years I've ever seen. This small town in Northern Newfoundland separately recorded: * No months with average highs below -0.4°C in the first of the winters, followed by a quite a bit-below average December that still ended up less cold due to diurnals than February was!
* 14.4 cm or 5.7 inches of June snowfall. * Two average highs above 24°C (way above average) as well as two months with means of 18.8°C or above. * 482.9 cm of snow in a year where the average high was either at or just below freezing all winter. * During the very cold spring, April almost broke the individual heat record. * The fifth warmest month of the year was at 5.4°C at a low elevation below 49°N, close to the ocean! * Peak snow cover only ended up at 64 cm in spring and 69 cm in December due to the diminishing effect from the milder spells. In other words, a ton of fresh snow, but no houses being buried!
* One June day in itself got more than 10 cm of snow and a 1.0°C high. 26 June saw more than 3 cm of snow and a high just above 3°C! * What logical threshold does a -0.4C high in winter represent? Is -0.4C spectacular while -0.5C is normal? "There has to be a cut-off point somewhere"? * Gander averages 2 cm of snowfall in June, and looking at average snowfall during the year that is bound to happen sometimes. * A warmer than average summer. So? Again, is 18.8C some kind of special threshold? * 482.9 cm of snow is bang on average for the location. And just because the average high is at freezing doesn't mean it cannot have a lot of snow. Buffalo NY sees 2.5 m of snow a year with only one month with highs below zero. Niigata in Japan sees over 2 m of snow with 6C average highs. * Normal spring. Mean average is 1.7C, 2018 had a spring mean of 2.0C. And is there some kind of written or unwritten rule that a below-average month cannot see individual hot days?
* The fifth warmest month of a normal year has a mean of 7.0C. Yes yes, it's at 49N, but in that part of the world the tree-line is below 60N. "Close to the ocean"? Murmansk is a coastal city, and guess what the mean of the 5th warmest month is? Nuuk is also a coastal city, and guess what mean... you probably get the point?
* Average snowfall in May is 11 cm, so a dump in May is not unheard of. The ice day, however, seem to be rather rare.
* Is the 69 cm peak depth extraordinary for the location? Oh, so mild spells melt snow? What an astounding revelation! Here, have a bisquit. * June was 2.3C below average, and as June usually sees snow, a few snowfalls aren't that special, or? The craziest part then? Gander's normals are 4.2°C for a humid continental climate. Last year was 4.6°C for a subarctic year! Insane stuff how? If you look at the normals, 2018 was completely within normal bounds, much more so than for example Moscow in 2010.
"This köppen schmöppen year had a higher mean than that köppen schmöppen year." I don't want to even get into that so I'll answer with a picture: 482.9 cm of snow including the intense one in June, then the bonkers heat spike from a snowy June to close out summers with 24-25°C highs for two months in a location that averages Umeå-esque summers in a normal case. It was a year that just didn't make logical sense, so that's why I was excited to find it. Either way, I'd found it rather dull had it not been for the summer and I do understand where you're coming from on this one... unless you love snow this one would seem rather hopeless. The only way I tolerated this one to be average was that the snow cover never got too high, but rather saw fresh snow all the time that made a lasting cover even during the thawing spells. Average amount of snowfall and a cooler than normal June in a location where the normal June mean is 11.6C. Two consecutive warmer than average summer months happen all the time everywhere, like last year in Umeå. How does Gander in 2018 defy logic? If I follow your logic, because May and June were below average July and August cannot possibly be above? Just because Gander averages only 2 cm of snow in June 14.4 cm last year is illogical? So please explain.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 9, 2019 6:19:34 GMT -5
Avg low below freezing in May and avg low only 3.6c in June, and one day with a 1c high? In June, at 49 N! And then those two warm summer months after that with avg highs above 24C. But I have an European perspective and I doubt that combination could ever happen on this side of the Atlantic. Ocean temps are so different. The cold ocean near New Foundland make that possible at that latitude.
The tree line at the lowest in Labrador is at 56.5N, which makes the relatively low latitude of Gander less spectacular in comparison. Of course that region is a huge cold anomaly in general, no doubt.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 9, 2019 6:37:37 GMT -5
I'll just address the two most relevant points. I went through every single summer since the station was incepted and I couldn't find a warmer one overall, even though July's in 1947, 1975 and 2008 individually were the warmest months and 1952 wasn't far off as a full summer. Last August was the warmest such month on record over the past 81 years. So, the fourth warmest July and the warmest August on record then. 14.4 cm of June snowfall being nothing special? Well, you'd have to go back to 1994 to find anything more than that. 1988, 1976 and 1974 also were, so it's in the top 6 % of snowiest Junes, with the vast majority of even 40's and 50's Junes seeing absolutely no snow. Either way, for a weather event to occur for the first time in 24 years, which in effect is 1/4 of a century, is a rather rare occurrence, especially in the face of a globally warming climate which should make those episodes ultra-rare.
Here's June snow since 2002 (May data for 2013 is missing altogether).
Snowfall was quite a bit above average. It had no match for 2004 though, but that year was something else. 2018 also had the snowiest off-season, with May and November being at their highest for the timeframe I researched. Going back to 1937, it also looks like it was the third snowiest May on record.
 Niigata has a sea-effect brutal snow machine in between Siberia and itself offshore, unlike anywhere else in the world, so Japanese snowfall numbers and comparing those to Newfoundland isn't relevant. Gander is clearly very snowy for its region, and even though it wasn't the snowiest year this century, the snowier ones tended to have colder mean temps and thus less winter rainfall, which is always a threat towards the Maritimes' snow totals. |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 9, 2019 7:15:22 GMT -5
I'll just address the two most relevant points. I went through every single summer since the station was incepted and I couldn't find a warmer one overall, even though July's in 1947, 1975 and 2008 individually were the warmest months and 1952 wasn't far off as a full summer. Last August was the warmest such month on record over the past 81 years. So, the fourth warmest July and the warmest August on record then. If August was the warmest on record, it's worth to mention it, no? Instead you just threw the arbitrary 18.8C mean around. 14.4 cm of June snowfall being nothing special? Well, you'd have to go back to 1994 to find anything more than that. 1988, 1976 and 1974 also were, so it's in the top 6 % of snowiest Junes, with the vast majority of even 40's and 50's Junes seeing absolutely no snow. Either way, for a weather event to occur for the first time in 24 years, which in effect is 1/4 of a century, is a rather rare occurrence, especially in the face of a globally warming climate which should make those episodes ultra-rare. Here's June snow since 2002 (May data for 2013 is missing altogether). Snowfall was quite a bit above average. It had no match for 2004 though, but that year was something else. 2018 also had the snowiest off-season, with May and November being at their highest for the timeframe I researched. I said a snowfall in June isn't special, never mentioning 14.4 cm as being nothing special. But for a climate which averages 450 cm of snowfall a year, it's quite possible. Rare, of course. Global warming doesn't mean that freak cold events cannot occur anymore. On the contrary, extreme weather is expected to be more frequent. Snowfall was average. Gander averages 452 cm of snow annually, so 483 cm - 107% of average - is................ average! In a climate which averages 11 cm of snow in May and 37 cm in October, those months are not "off-season" for snow. Niigata has a sea-effect brutal snow machine in between Siberia and itself offshore, unlike anywhere else in the world, so Japanese snowfall numbers and comparing those to Newfoundland isn't relevant. Gander is clearly very snowy for its region, and even though it wasn't the snowiest year this century, the snowier ones tended to have colder mean temps and thus less winter rainfall, which is always a threat towards the Maritimes' snow totals. You compared Gander's summers with Umeå. How is Umeå relevant but Niigata not? You said May and October are "off-season" for snow, though it's clearly not for Gonder. You just compared May and October to Nyköping, Dallol, whatever. You also threw the latitude + ocean cards, which are by default invites for comparisons. "Look, this is roughly at the latitude of Brussels and as far from the sea, but look how different they are!" Gander is not especially snowy for Newfoundland. Happy Valley averages 430 cm, Corner Brook 401 cm, even St John's averages 340 cm. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 9, 2019 7:18:23 GMT -5
I didn't know whether August was the warmest month nor that this was the warmest combined July/August in the location's history, I had to do manual research to find that one out.
Happy Valley is in Labrador and not on Newfoundland proper, even though they're in the same province.
Comparatively, May and November aren't peak snow season for sure either way you slice it. Technically, they're not even winter months.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 9, 2019 7:29:16 GMT -5
I didn't know whether August was the warmest month nor that this was the warmest combined July/August in the location's history, I had to do manual research to find that one out. Happy Valley is in Labrador and not on Newfoundland proper, even though they're in the same province. Comparatively, May and November aren't peak snow season for sure either way you slice it. Technically, they're not even winter months.
You didn't know? You only found it out when I challenged you? If you didn't know, how could you determine that 2018 was crazy? You compared it with Umeå, Nyköping or whatever really without knowing what the climate dynamics are in the region.
Happy Valley can be wherever it wants. Sept-Îles in Quebec is also snowy with almost 4 m annually. The greater region is quite snowy, and Gander isn't remarkably so.
No, those months aren't peak-season, but neither are they off-season. But they are in the snow-season for sure looking at the averages. |
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After the summer solstice at below 49°N near the ocean! Gander has a 
