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Post by Ethereal on Apr 18, 2020 9:31:07 GMT -5
Coldest: Launceston Tasmania or Portland Oregon.
Hottest: Cairo or Brisbane.
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Post by Doña Jimena on Apr 18, 2020 9:45:59 GMT -5
Coldest: Riga, Latvia. Riga has in fact almost a subarctic climate in my opinion.
Warmest: what is the warmest in the European Union? Must be somewhere in Spain. I have been to Canary islands, but I suppose the hottest is probably in Andalucia.
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Post by Ariete on Apr 18, 2020 9:53:01 GMT -5
Coldest: Riga, Latvia. Riga has in fact almost a subarctic climate in my opinion. Warmest: what is the warmest in the European Union? Must be somewhere in Spain. I have been to Canary islands, but I suppose the hottest is probably in Andalucia.
Oof.
I think the warmest climates are found on Cyprus, and if you want to avoid snow altogether your best bet is Malta.
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Post by Doña Jimena on Apr 18, 2020 10:03:49 GMT -5
I think the warmest climates are found on Cyprus, and if you want to avoid snow altogether your best bet is Malta.
Depends how we count, I suppose. Is the average temperature more important than the maximal temperature? Cyprus is an island and thy must have very warm nights due to the warm sea, but their highs can be quite mediocre. On the other hand, big heat can develop over the interior areas of Iberia, but their lows can be lower. I would look at maximal temperatures for heat, ignoring lows, and Spain seems hotter. P.S. I've checked: Sevilla has higher temperatures than Larnaca. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 18, 2020 10:11:53 GMT -5
Depends how we count, I suppose. Is the average temperature more important than the maximal temperature? Cyprus is an island and thy must have very warm nights due to the warm sea, but their highs can be quite mediocre. On the other hand, big heat can develop over the interior areas of Iberia, but their lows can be lower. I would look at maximal temperatures for heat, ignoring lows, and Spain seems hotter. P.S. I've checked: Sevilla has higher temperatures than Larnaca.
I think the most sensible thing is to look at the mean temperatures. Especially if the diurnal ranges are very large.
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Post by Doña Jimena on Apr 18, 2020 10:23:44 GMT -5
Indeed, however Seville has higher record highs. I don't know if Seville is the hottest city in Spain, but it must be one of the hottest. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 18, 2020 10:44:59 GMT -5
Indeed, however Seville has higher record highs. I don't know if Seville is the hottest city in Spain, but it must be one of the hottest.
Speaking about Córdoba, I knew a person who was an exchange student there, and she said that especially in early spring it was annoying that when going to school in the morning it was just a few degrees, but in the afternoon the temp went up to around 20C, and you had to lose all that warm clothing. It's an example why I think mean temperatures are important.
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Post by flamingGalah on Apr 18, 2020 11:48:07 GMT -5
Depends how we count, I suppose. Is the average temperature more important than the maximal temperature? Cyprus is an island and thy must have very warm nights due to the warm sea, but their highs can be quite mediocre. On the other hand, big heat can develop over the interior areas of Iberia, but their lows can be lower. I would look at maximal temperatures for heat, ignoring lows, and Spain seems hotter. P.S. I've checked: Sevilla has higher temperatures than Larnaca.
I think the most sensible thing is to look at the mean temperatures. Especially if the diurnal ranges are very large.
It's worth noting that the Cyprus climate data doesn't use the standard WMO 30 year periods, Limassol for example is only using 14 years of data from 1991-2005. Coastal areas of Malta must have +20C annual means as the airport, which is well inland, has a mean of 19.3C. But yes winter highs here do not get that warm generally, but minimum temperatures are probably amongst the mildest in Europe, only Malta & Lampedusa are zone 11a, despite what some deranged Spaniard may tell you. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 18, 2020 12:10:26 GMT -5
It's worth noting that the Cyprus climate data doesn't use the standard WMO 30 year periods, Limassol for example is only using 14 years of data from 1991-2005. Coastal areas of Malta must have +20C annual means as the airport, which is well inland, has a mean of 19.3C. But yes winter highs here do not get that warm generally, but minimum temperatures are probably amongst the mildest in Europe, only Malta & Lampedusa are zone 11a, despite what some deranged Spaniard may tell you.
Sorry didn't notice that. Should've had.
But I still think you're lyering and bashering Altea because it maded warmest climate in Europe bro.
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Post by flamingGalah on Apr 18, 2020 12:19:19 GMT -5
It's worth noting that the Cyprus climate data doesn't use the standard WMO 30 year periods, Limassol for example is only using 14 years of data from 1991-2005. Coastal areas of Malta must have +20C annual means as the airport, which is well inland, has a mean of 19.3C. But yes winter highs here do not get that warm generally, but minimum temperatures are probably amongst the mildest in Europe, only Malta & Lampedusa are zone 11a, despite what some deranged Spaniard may tell you.
Sorry didn't notice that. Should've had.
But I still think you're lyering and bashering Altea because it maded warmest climate in Europe bro.
Yes is true buddy Altea is warmest & most mildest place in the Europe even if they don't haves the OFFICIAL AEMET station. Gareth has 9.99 ALDI weather station on his balcony & it is warmer than Guildford on an April afternoons. |
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Post by Benfxmth on Apr 18, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
The coldest climate that I consider livable depends more on summer temperatures and sunshine than the winter temperatures alone. The coolest summers that I would find enjoyable would have average highs of about 25-27°C, i.e. Portland OR, Paris, etc. Now the dividing line for winter temperatures is more blurry, I wouldn't mind climates with very cold winters that have hot summers in return, so the cutoff for cold winters is likely around ~ –20°C. I will absolutely not tolerate climates that have fewer than 1,800 sunshine hours, regardless of temperatures.
As far as hot climates go, I don't think I have a real limit for hot summers (even I would need A/C in a climate like Death Valley or Dubai), not that I wouldn't enjoy such a climate; only July and August are excessively hot in Death Valley, but deep tropical climates like Singapore are too monotonous.
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Post by aabc123 on Apr 18, 2020 14:44:55 GMT -5
Coldest: the place where I live.
Warmest: Singapore and similar climates. There is nothing so very wrong with year-round +30c equatorial climates in fact. The worst climates are Kuwait City-like places with summers of +50c degrees.
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 18, 2020 16:34:50 GMT -5
Warmest: My current location - Warm Dfb climates  Coldest: Brooks Range climates of Alaska - Frigid Dfc Climates  |
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Post by alex992 on Apr 18, 2020 16:42:36 GMT -5
Warmest: Well I live here, but this is where I grew up and family and friends are so I have very little choice. Given the choice, the warmest I'd go is somewhere like Atlanta or maybe even Nashville. I need at least a chance of snow during winter.
Coldest: Somewhere like Yakutsk, or even Oymyakon or Verkhoyansk. They're far too cold for me, but I'd be willing to give it a shot. I would take these climates over somewhere like Barrow, because at least they have warm-ish summers with vegetation growing.
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Post by Crunch41 on Apr 18, 2020 16:52:30 GMT -5
The coldest climate that I consider livable depends more on summer temperatures and sunshine than the winter temperatures alone. The coolest summers that I would find enjoyable would have average highs of about 25-27°C, i.e. Portland OR, Paris, etc. Now the dividing line for winter temperatures is more blurry, I wouldn't mind climates with very cold winters that have hot summers in return, so the cutoff for cold winters is likely around ~ –20°C. I will absolutely not tolerate climates that have fewer than 1,800 sunshine hours, regardless of temperatures.As far as hot climates go, I don't think I have a real limit for hot summers (even I would need A/C in a climate like Death Valley or Dubai), not that I wouldn't enjoy such a climate; only July and August are excessively hot in Death Valley, but deep tropical climates like Singapore are too monotonous. -20C winters are COLD. Here's an idea of what -20C winters look like. I get that you will put up with cold winters if summer is good, but -20 is extremely cold, colder than most cold places. Spoiler because I'm posting 9 different boxes.
These climates meet what you want, but are still cold climates.
Val Marie is a sunny plains climate. Seoul isn't very cold, but it has cloudy wet summers. Steamboat Springs has snowy winters and cold summer nights. It's in Colorado so it will have plenty of sun.
These are all on the border for you.
Chunggang has warm but rainy summers and January is right at -20. Winter is very short compared to similarly cold places in Europe or North America. Khabarovsk is on the border in summer and winter. Winter is longer than Chunggang but summer is still decent. Bodie reaches 25C highs for two months, but gets very cold at night. It would easily get enough sun. These are too cold. Ulaanbaatar is slightly below -20 in January, and only has one month above 24 in summer. Sun is not an issue, but that record high of -2 in January could be. Chita has decent summers, but January averages -25. Stornoway has winter lows above freezing, but besides that it's terrible for you. London also doesn't work for you. |
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Post by knot on Apr 18, 2020 17:35:27 GMT -5
For my hottest liveable climate, Gunnedah in the North West Slopes of NSW would be it. Extremely variable summers, especially for 31° S (right on the Horse Latitudes), and it does have some form of seasonal variation; for e.g. it got a 4.4° C (39.9° F) maximum temp in August 1921, and 48.7° C (119.7° F) in January 1882. Also, 100% of that summer rainfall is of a convective nature. The last time it snowed in Gunnedah was in 1984, so it's not unheard-of.  As for the coldest, it would be Charlotte Pass in the Snowy Mountains; only moderately cold winters, and tonnes of snow to make up for the prolonged cold (winter snowpack 2–3 m [source: Snowy Hydro Ltd]). Summers are also tolerable.  Note: I would've chosen Valdez in Alaska for coldest liveable—because with that 7+ m snowfall, I'll be able to tolerate the cold—but it's snowy days:rainy days ratio is just too poor (which means that it gets those nasty warm fronts)—and far too drizzly in summer. |
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Post by CRISPR on Jan 28, 2024 22:35:02 GMT -5
Without AC nor heater, my range is rather limited to climates with low seasonal ranges. This ranks places based on their annual mean.
Warmest: Some warm desert or mediterranean climate exposed to the trade winds, like Dakhla, Madeira or Iquique. Also, warm, wet and windy islands around 30ºS like Lord Howe Island and Easter Island.
Coolest: On the other end, I think I cannot deal with winters below a mean of ~10ºC without a heater, so a subtropical highland climate like Cusco, a warm oceanic like Auckland; mediterranean climate like Lisbon and a subtropical climate like Nowra.
With an AC or heater, my range definitely does expand quite a bit (still pretty picky).
Hottest: Tropical climate at some elevation, like San Salvador. Also, hot desert climates at some elevation (like Tucson or Alice Springs; at least have a little cooler nights, so they count).
Coldest: Humid continental climate with warmish summers and not too cold winters, like Visby, Lhasa or Calgary). For oceanics, considering sunshine, places like Vancouver or London would make me a little depressed in winter, but at least summers are mild and not too windy. Also, subalpine climates with a good amount of sunshine, like Nagpu, China.
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Post by Cadeau on Jan 29, 2024 8:12:57 GMT -5
Hottest: Without a/c, a place where daily mean gets below 22°C on a regular basis in summer at least. Lyon and Toulouse are probably the limit.
Coldest: I can survive even in Yakutsk but realistically not way colder than Ville de Québec-Kiruna-Vladivostok level of winters.
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Post by massiveshibe on Jan 29, 2024 12:49:40 GMT -5
Assuming no aircon or heating
Hottest: Probably the lower end of Subtropical climates, where summer temperatures average around 22C-24C and temperatures over 40C are extremely rare. Im guessing somewhere like Toowoomba.
Coldest: People managed to survive in Siberia without heating for millenniums. So probably Yakutsk.
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Post by Steelernation on Jan 29, 2024 17:51:07 GMT -5
Theoretically I could live anywhere except like Vostok and would just be miserable.
I think somewhere like Amarillo, TX or Charlotte, NC or Prescott, AZ would be generally enjoyable on the warm side. On the warm side, stuff like Coffs Harbor, NSW or Salta, Argentina would also be good overall.
Never lived in a hot climate so hard to say what would be something that often sucks but overall is ok—kind of like Rochester on the cold side. Maybe like Dallas or Savannah or Nogales. Or Brisbane for something more tropical.
Colder than here I think Billings or Rapid City would be enjoyable.
I think something like Oslo wouldn’t be terrible—I’ve survived extended Rochester winters like that. As for colder winters than Rochester, probably Minneapolis.
I guess Darwin or Phoenix or Fairbanks would be survivable, just utterly miserable for much of the year.
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