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Post by Lommaren on Apr 9, 2019 18:25:54 GMT -5
Here's a treat for Babu . Umeå has been updated to 2002-2018, including mean max and min but also precipitation and sunshine hours - in other words a full weatherbox of time-matched information. Under the Schmöppen system it's now humid continental and thus capable of advanced vegetation  Snowfall then? I'd estimate it to be about 150-155 cm in a normal year, most of which will stick.  Additional information: Temperatures: Average:  Mean max/min:  Precipitation and sunshine: Precipitation:  Sunshine:  So, that's why I couldn't do Sollefteå right away Baba! Anyway, for me the climate is an E+. The sunshine is pleasant, summers are manageable but a bit chilly, whereas winters are too cold to be ideal, although liveable. What really harms Umeå is the unpleasant transitions between winter to spring and summer to autumn, which is like a lightbulb randomly switching off and then lagging to get turned on again even after being fixed. For its latitude, it's an amazing climate and probably the best one out there, but the complete absence of afternoon light in winter would be a bit depressing to say the least, especially considering the seasonal lag. It's close to a D- but would need a bit of an improvement in summer for that to happen. Might be really good climates for Speagles84 and sari ? |
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Post by knot on Apr 9, 2019 18:46:43 GMT -5
C+; gay climate, with a gay precipitation pattern, with gay winter temps. Gay everything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 18:57:53 GMT -5
F+ for self-explanatory reasons.
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 9, 2019 20:17:23 GMT -5
A-, a bit more snowfall and colder mean in January and a bit warmer in summer would be A+.
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Post by tij on Apr 9, 2019 21:33:26 GMT -5
D/D+ for appalling transitions, unreliable summers, and just general cold. Minneapolis has a bit harsher nights in the middle of winter but it just lasts so, so long in Umea, with even October nights below freezing. At least there is some sunshine (more than London/Paris/Amsterdam...) here, but I still would find it significantly duller than what I would be used to, when I would be craving winter sunshine more at these temperatures. Agaim, given the wintes I would hopefor more heat, more like 80/60 in summer instead of merely 71/52 in only one month, to drive up the transitions as well and to thaw, and no risk of a freeze in June or August. It's too dry and has a not-good precip distribution. Because winter's aren't severe and sunshine isn't abysmal, and it gets some snow, it gets semipromoted to D/D+.
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 9, 2019 21:34:53 GMT -5
D-
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 9, 2019 22:10:11 GMT -5
Very weak B-
It's warmer than Anchorage in winter and summer. Anchorage is colder than Umeå in summer and winter. Winter and summer are milder in Umeå compared to Anchorage in summer and winter. Anchorage is colder.
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Post by Babu on Apr 9, 2019 23:51:29 GMT -5
My baseline for an E climate. I prefer both Kronoby and Steinkjer at the same latitude. Kronoby has less winter precipitation, so although winter and early spring is colder, snow cover disappear weeks earlier than in Umeå. Steinkjer is basically a cloudier and wetter Uppsala with Umeå's summers.
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Post by AJ1013 on Apr 9, 2019 23:57:46 GMT -5
C-
Cold and boring but could be worse.
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Post by Beercules on Apr 10, 2019 1:31:14 GMT -5
F
Cold and gay. If I lived in a climate like that, I'd be clapping my own shit too.... in a straightjacket
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Post by irlinit on Apr 10, 2019 1:58:51 GMT -5
F
Polar climate. No summer and winter lasts 9 months of the year
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Post by Hiromant on Apr 10, 2019 1:59:09 GMT -5
B. I like that it's drier than here but it still has the same overall problems: not cold enough in the winter, transitional seasons are too long, too much seasonal lag, summers are a tad too cool, and it could be sunnier.
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 10, 2019 5:38:07 GMT -5
Very weak B- It's warmer than Anchorage in winter and summer. Anchorage is colder than Umeå in summer and winter. Winter and summer are milder in Umeå compared to Anchorage in summer and winter. Anchorage is colder. Neither is cold as Gole. Gole is the coldest town in Turkey. It is colder than aradahan. It is because I said it is. GOLE |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 10, 2019 11:18:20 GMT -5
Why include the monthly mean records but not the mean temperatures? The first is irrelevant for me, the latter very important.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 11:47:58 GMT -5
Why include the monthly mean records but not the mean temperatures? The first is irrelevant for me, the latter very important. Using the 24-hour means like the SMHI does would mean including a whole separate template for that part alone, which is too much.
Anyway, by "divided by two standards" not followed in the Nordics, but used in most areas of the world that's:
Jan: -7.15
Feb: -6.85 Mar: -2.95 Apr: 2.4 May: 8.05 Jun: 12.5 Jul: 16.15 Aug: 14.75 Sep: 10.05 Oct: 3.6 Nov: -0.85 Dec: -4.35
By conventional wisdom of rounding it up (aka Boteving) it'd be -7.1, -6.8, -2.9, 2.4, 8.1, 12.5, 16.2, 14.8, 10.1, 3.6, 0.9, -4.3, which is why I didn't on this instance.
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Post by Ariete on Apr 10, 2019 12:03:20 GMT -5
Why include the monthly mean records but not the mean temperatures? The first is irrelevant for me, the latter very important. Using the 24-hour means like the SMHI does would mean including a whole separate template for that part alone, which is too much.
Anyway, by "divided by two standards" not followed in the Nordics, but used in most areas of the world that's:
Jan: -7.15
Feb: -6.85 Mar: -2.95 Apr: 2.4 May: 8.05 Jun: 12.5 Jul: 16.15 Aug: 14.75 Sep: 10.05 Oct: 3.6 Nov: -0.85 Dec: -4.35
By conventional wisdom of rounding it up (aka Boteving) it'd be -7.1, -6.8, -2.9, 2.4, 8.1, 12.5, 16.2, 14.8, 10.1, 3.6, 0.9, -4.3, which is why I didn't on this instance.
Oh, I use simply hi+lo/2. I think it's the best to use, as all others who use means do that, and makes the means mutually comparable.
I don't see how maths is Boteving. A -7.15C mean is of course -7.2C in a climate box.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 12:07:09 GMT -5
Doesn't "rounding up" mean -7.15 = -7.1 because it's the higher value Ariete? After all, -7.1 is closer to 0.0 than -7.2? Then again, negative numbers weren't part of maths curriculum when I went to school so I'm not sure about what rule is correct. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 10, 2019 12:11:41 GMT -5
Doesn't "rounding up" mean -7.15 = -7.1 because it's the higher value Ariete ? After all, -7.1 is closer to 0.0 than -7.2? Then again, negative numbers weren't part of maths curriculum when I went to school so I'm not sure about what rule is correct.
Well call it rounding down then with negative figures.
10.05 mean is 10.1 -4.05 mean is -4.1
Simple as that.
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Post by Babu on Apr 10, 2019 12:14:08 GMT -5
Doesn't "rounding up" mean -7.15 = -7.1 because it's the higher value Ariete ? After all, -7.1 is closer to 0.0 than -7.2? Then again, negative numbers weren't part of maths curriculum when I went to school so I'm not sure about what rule is correct. It always rounds up to the higher decimal value, regardless if it's negative or not. Either way, SMHI doesn't use a 24h method because that doesn't work on manual stations where you only measure about three times a day. (07, 13, 19). Instead they use the Ekholm coefficient which differs depending on month and longitude. Maybe it's better than the max/min method, idk, but seeing as it's not used elsewhere, it's a bit pointless. |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 12:14:45 GMT -5
I've normally tried to use that anyway, considering winters have a "cold bias" but makes sense.
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Snowfall then? I'd estimate it to be about 150-155 cm in a normal year, most of which will stick.
