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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 6:29:29 GMT -5
Located just above 60°N, a bit inland, Falun combines strong summer heat waves by Nordic standards with quite cold and snowy winters (I'd estimate it being in the lower 110's cm annually given its distance to mild rain masses). It's a very good one as far as the Nordics go for me, but that still means a C-. The shoulder seasons aren't up to scratch and June + August would need to be warmer. The 30.9°C annual mean maximum courtesy of its quite far inland position is interesting though. I'd credit this to the absence of large-lake influence that climates such as Skara, Örebro and Karlstad in lowland areas to the south have.
One thing's for certain, it looks quite a bit different compared to both southerly and northerly regions of the country.
Above all, this strikes me as a Speagles84 -type of climate. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 23, 2019 7:19:39 GMT -5
A-, a bit cooler in winter (3+ months of highs averaging 30F or below, and annual minimums in the -15F range) and you'd have a near perfect climate for my tastes. The cool thaws looks nice and The summer there looks amazing.
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 23, 2019 7:56:21 GMT -5
D. Typical for Sweden.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 9:51:51 GMT -5
This is actually rather atypical. Finding a Swedish climate with winter means around -5°C, while at the same time having July average highs merely above 23°C, let alone above 23.5... just doesn't happen apart from Falun. Neither here nor in Norway a climate like this isn't on aside from that small pocket in south-east Dalarna in the valley setting there. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Apr 23, 2019 10:39:06 GMT -5
This is actually rather atypical. Finding a Swedish climate with winter means around -5°C, while at the same time having July average highs merely above 23°C, let alone above 23.5... just doesn't happen apart from Falun. Neither here nor in Norway a climate like this isn't on aside from that small pocket in south-east Dalarna in the valley setting there. To us Americans, living in a country where virtually all types of climates can be found (Even within states there can be incredible differences in climate think Flagstaff vs Yuma or Death Valley vs Lake Tahoe), the difference between Swedish climates seems pathetically small. In my opinion all Swedish climates look almost exactly the same except some are slightly colder than others. Other than that the differences are rather insignificant. All Swedish climates are continental/oceanic hybrids with lukewarm crummers, cold but not frigid winters, and fairly even precip distribution. |
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Post by Babu on Apr 23, 2019 10:57:37 GMT -5
Nobody except Nordic people finds this more than 1% interesting
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 11:08:23 GMT -5
To us Americans, living in a country where virtually all types of climates can be found (Even within states there can be incredible differences in climate think Flagstaff vs Yuma or Death Valley vs Lake Tahoe), the difference between Swedish climates seems pathetically small. In my opinion all Swedish climates look almost exactly the same except some are slightly colder than others. Other than that the differences are rather insignificant. All Swedish climates are continental/oceanic hybrids with lukewarm crummers, cold but not frigid winters, and fairly even precip distribution. Ehm...
Falsterbo and Kiruna for example have a huge difference between them. It's the same latitudal step as Miami to Philadelphia. Granted, since there are no cool currents, mountain barriers behind cool currents and subtropical latitudes, it doesn't resemble California, but Sweden is still the size of California. A more apt comparison would be having every piece of land between Maryland and Maine, being one country. Obviously there's going to be a huge difference between Annapolis and Presque Isle, even though the median will look similar.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 11:11:57 GMT -5
Nobody except Nordic people finds this more than 1% interesting Not sure what your point is. I find US, Canadian, Russian and even Northern Chinese climates very interesting since it's part of my hemisphere's non-tropical zone. Doesn't matter if it's my region or not. During the 2018 March cold wave in Europe, it was quite clear to me from studying the forecasts in East Siberia how interconnected that event was, for example. Sometimes, it's the same, sometimes it's the opposite, but perfect matches like the 2010 summer when most of the NH was extremely hot compared to averages can span over continents. Of course anyone should be interested in what's going on in different hemispheres and what climates there are there if they're into weather in general. |
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Post by tij on Apr 23, 2019 11:14:49 GMT -5
Lommaren sweden is just a cold country overall, while miami to pa stretches from a hot to a coldish temperature range for most.. France is more of a country where people would perceive the north as cool/chilly and the South as warm. People just view areas in Germany and further north as cool/cold overall.
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Post by AJ1013 on Apr 23, 2019 11:15:49 GMT -5
Nobody except Nordic people finds this more than 1% interesting Not sure what your point is. I find US, Canadian, Russian and even Northern Chinese climates very interesting since it's part of my hemisphere's non-tropical zone. Doesn't matter if it's my region or not. During the 2018 March cold wave in Europe, it was quite clear to me from studying the forecasts in East Siberia how interconnected that event was, for example. Sometimes, it's the same, sometimes it's the opposite, but perfect matches like the 2010 summer when most of the NH was extremely hot compared to averages can span over continents. Of course anyone should be interested in what's going on in different hemispheres and what climates there are there if they're into weather in general. I find those climates interesting too but it would get old if someone posted dozens of nearly identical climates all from the same area of northern china (for example) . |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 11:28:04 GMT -5
Lommaren sweden is just a cold country overall, while maryland to maine stretches from a mildly-warm to a cold temperature range for most I'd say there are four separate latitudal zones in Sweden:
Southern (to the northern edge of the larger lakes and Stockholm/Uppsala)
Central (60°N-62°N) Subarctic (63-66°N) Arctic (anything north of the Bay of Bothnia)
The mountainous areas in Jämtland and Västerbotten south of the Bay of Bothnia's ending are subarctic/arctic hybrids due to their elevation.
While central could be connected with both southern and subarctic, it shares nothing with arctic and southern shares nothing with subarctic.
"Cold" is very subjective. Few people in Minnesota would find anything south of Stockholm remotely cold in winter. Floridians, however, would say it's a frozen wasteland. Still, the annual absolute mean minimum of the most maritime climates are just 3°C or so colder than those of Tallahassee. Is that because the maritime inflow keeps those lows in check? Yes. That's true, but it still doesn't change the fact that the annual mean minimum varies close to 30°C between the peninsular south and the valley innermountain cold trap north. I'm pretty sure that Annapolis and Presque Isle don't differ as much in that category.
While summer is a different ballgame, it's still very comparable with coastal Upstate Maine and Nova Scotia for temperatures in the south, whereas the north is more like Gulf-shore (Baie-Comeau/Sept-Îles) Québec. Of course it's contracted a bit more than North America in summer due to the shape of the land and the mountains being where they are, but that's part of the game. So knowing that, saying that Falun "looks the same" as Falsterbo or even Malmö is not even close to reality.
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Post by tij on Apr 23, 2019 11:49:38 GMT -5
Lommaren , yes, I clearly understand how there is a major difference between the north and the south, but even Malmö is fairly chilly for most. Most people on here favor summers warmer than stockholm. People who favor 23, 25, 26c summer means will mostly find Sweden to just be unsatisfactory during the season. For winters as well, even southern sweden isn't that mild, with 0c means, comparable to nyc. People who favor mild, 8c winters will find all of sweden, even the south, rather chilly. Also, many people on here who favor harsher continental winters also favor hot summers. Sweden is also too moderated of a country for some... not enough thunderstorms, mot enough variability can also be issues. Most people on here who favor continental winters here are also looking for these events. Look at the annual avg temp... even malmö is at 48f, which is like Milwaukee in the US, one of the coldest cities in the country. I don't see anyone on the dream climate map who selected places in Sweden, although to be fair Ski, speagles, and Sari probably like the country climatewise. Our combined dream climate looked like northern italy, substantially hotter during the summer.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 12:24:01 GMT -5
D-. Very poor climate with cold and long winters combined with weak summers. Almost an F considering I usually don't give E's.
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Post by Ariete on Apr 23, 2019 12:53:52 GMT -5
Not sure what your point is.
Of course you won't get it. You think that creating weatherboxes for every Swedish place there is and tagging others to comment would make you a relevant contributor.
That is not the case.
Don't think that this will buy you more time.
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Post by AJ1013 on Apr 23, 2019 13:10:39 GMT -5
Come on Ariete. No need for that. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 23, 2019 13:46:28 GMT -5
Come on Ariete . No need for that.
Sure there is.
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 23, 2019 13:59:31 GMT -5
It’s like me posting identical upstate NY climates.
And theres res virtually no difference, I’m not looking at decimals or like 1 C here or there. It all looks the same to me. And the little differences there are wouldn’t be enough to adjust my grade.
Its one thing if your posting Kiruna or something like that but they’re all identical south Swedish climates.
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Post by urania93 on Apr 23, 2019 14:24:20 GMT -5
Come on Ariete . No need for that.
Sure there is.
I agree with AJ1013. This is a thread about a climate in a forum which is (in theory) focused on weathers and climates around the world, if there is a place where people should be able to start this kind of thread (even for discussing a difference of just 0.5°C in the average July temperature of two neighbour towns) should be this one. Some user is not interested into reading it? Well, no one is obliged to read, comment or vote in the poll, so just pass on and read something else. Also, one of the first roles of Moderators in a forum is to avoid conflict among users, not to cause it. |
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Post by Nidaros on Apr 23, 2019 14:33:38 GMT -5
Was it Falun that had a weather station with dubious placement, or was it at some other location?
Anyway, pretty similar to Kongsberg in Norway. Especially if the same years are used as in these Swedish normals.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 14:38:14 GMT -5
Was it Falun that had a weather station with dubious placement, or was it at some other location? Anyway, pretty similar to Kongsberg in Norway. Especially if the same years are used as in these Swedish normals. It's placed slightly north of downtown going by the open data map in the triangle between the neighbourhoods of Lugnet, Järlinden and Högbo. It's not in any downtown proper UHI, but at the same time, unlike many other stations, not rural.
I'd never heard of Kongsberg before, could you make a weatherbox from E-klima so I could see whether that's the case for myself? It certainly looks to be in a favourable geographical spot to build summer warmth.
If you could do 1981-2010 and 2002-2018 it'd be great! E-klima sort of calculates itself too, right?
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