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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 14:49:38 GMT -5
Either way. I've gone through the actual Swedish climate polls I've started, rather than just posting the averages in the general thread, and they've all been quite different.
Stockholm (warmest summers in the Nordics, interesting UHI climate with very mild winters). Storlien (highest proper settlement in Sweden, one of the very snowiest and also Sweden's cloudiest settlement with a station). Umeå (warmest 64°N coastal summers you can get). Borås (as rainy as you'll get in Germanic Europe discounting Norway and some mountain tops). Holmön (probably the warmest summer lows in the world at near 64°N).
Now Falun, the most seasonal of all warm-summer climates in the country as well.
Some of the normal thread posts have been quite similar perhaps, but those haven't been put up for a poll for a reason - they weren't interesting enough. I even de-selected ones like Falsterbo, Malmö, Målilla, Örebro, Skagsudde, Sollefteå and Arvika because I found them too similar to other climates that we've already had threads on. For that very reason. I picked these six for a reason and after that there's not really anything else interesting to run a poll on. I think it's a fair balance between climates and their different attributes.
Three of these five are actually northern climates.
Anyhow, I don't think I'll post any more Swedish climate polls for a good while now, there's not much left. I'll probably stick to posting in the normal thread and then people can choose whether they find it interesting or not. I've gone through all the zones except Kiruna really and we already know that one wouldn't get great reviews either.
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Post by tij on Apr 23, 2019 14:53:10 GMT -5
Lommaren I think Lund would be interesting, but then it would be great to try other global regions as well!
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 14:55:39 GMT -5
Lommaren I think Lund would be interesting, but then it would be great to try other global regions as well! I'm currently doing the final touches of Lycksele, but I might choose Lund as the next one. That being said, I'll probably get back into Canada soon. If you're able to tell me how to get a functioning NIWA open data account going, I'd be glad to sweep through all of New Zealand though  It looks a bit complicated to get full access. |
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Post by Nidaros on Apr 23, 2019 15:14:56 GMT -5
Either way. I've gone through the actual Swedish climate polls I've started, rather than just posting the averages in the general thread, and they've all been quite different.
Umeå (warmest 64°N coastal summers you can get). Umeå's summers seem to be about as warm as in Steinkjer, Norway, also located at 64 N, along a fjord. Steinkjer is warmer in the rest of the year.
If we had the same years we could compare exactly. Steinkjer is as little warmer in August, Umeå slightly warmer in July. But we are talking tenths of a degree. Here is an approximation for Steinkjer about the same years.
Drammen and the lower altitude stations in Oslo is pretty similar to Stockholm's summers.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 15:20:35 GMT -5
So technically, I was correct, but in a virtual tie Nidaros . Amazing climate for the latitude, it has to be said! Just a shame winters weren't 1°C colder. They're quite similar but: 1) colder winters than Baltic Sweden (part of what makes Stockholm's UHI interesting), 2) surely not the same August lows? |
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Post by Nidaros on Apr 23, 2019 15:26:38 GMT -5
So technically, I was correct, but in a virtual tie Nidaros . Amazing climate for the latitude, it has to be said! Just a shame winters weren't 1°C colder. Hmm no, seems Steinkjer is very slightly warmer in summer if the same source is used, as Steinkjers Aug months beats Umeå more than the July difference.
Mind you, I always compare means when someone states "warmer" or "colder". But the difference is so small it is completely meaningless!
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Post by Nidaros on Apr 23, 2019 15:27:53 GMT -5
So technically, I was correct, but in a virtual tie Nidaros . Amazing climate for the latitude, it has to be said! Just a shame winters weren't 1°C colder. Hmm no, seems Steinkjer is very slightly warmer in summer if the same source is used, as Steinkjers Aug months beats Umeå more than the July difference.
Mind you, I always compare means when someone states "warmer" or "colder". But the difference is so small it is completely meaningless! However, the record lows are not meaningless and Umeå is a lot colder. Although Infoclimat is crazy poor at record lows and highs.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 15:57:36 GMT -5
Luleå wins for high latitudes anyway if we go down the means route Nidaros  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lule%C3%A5#ClimateIt's 20.6/12.7 for 2002-2018 upon manually examining the four years since 2014. For islands, Holmön actually wins with 19.7/13.7... |
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Post by Nidaros on Apr 23, 2019 16:11:41 GMT -5
This is the placement of the official weather station in Falun? Can that be true?
Yes it is indeed true. Not much grass under that station! And buildings so close. The highs must be affected by that plaecement.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 17:00:27 GMT -5
Haparanda has a 21.2°C average high for a coastal station at 66°N, what a freak climate it is. 21.2/12.0 for the record, tied with Luleå and just below Holmön.
As for Falun's station's placement, that building might make a difference or it might won't. I find it very difficult to believe one building such as that garage would be significant (+0.1 etc).
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Post by Babu on Apr 23, 2019 18:20:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure Kronoby is warmer in summer than Umeå lol
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 23, 2019 18:36:38 GMT -5
Pretty sure Kronoby is warmer in summer than Umeå lol Not coastal, but Umeå is borderline not coastal either. In my opinion however, Kronoby is definitely not coastal enough, the river is very long and narrow by the looks of things before it reaches Kronoby.
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Post by Babu on Apr 23, 2019 18:50:20 GMT -5
Pretty sure Kronoby is warmer in summer than Umeå lol Not coastal, but Umeå is borderline not coastal either. In my opinion however, Kronoby is definitely not coastal enough, the river is very long and narrow by the looks of things before it reaches Kronoby.
It's like 20km vs 10km |
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Post by Babu on Apr 24, 2019 4:20:23 GMT -5
Was it Falun that had a weather station with dubious placement, or was it at some other location? Anyway, pretty similar to Kongsberg in Norway. Especially if the same years are used as in these Swedish normals. It's placed slightly north of downtown going by the open data map in the triangle between the neighbourhoods of Lugnet, Järlinden and Högbo. It's not in any downtown proper UHI, but at the same time, unlike many other stations, not rural.
I'd never heard of Kongsberg before, could you make a weatherbox from E-klima so I could see whether that's the case for myself? It certainly looks to be in a favourable geographical spot to build summer warmth.
If you could do 1981-2010 and 2002-2018 it'd be great! E-klima sort of calculates itself too, right?
Why the hell haven't you made an Eklima account? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. |
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Post by Babu on Apr 24, 2019 15:57:35 GMT -5
So technically, I was correct, but in a virtual tie Nidaros . Amazing climate for the latitude, it has to be said! Just a shame winters weren't 1°C colder. Hmm no, seems Steinkjer is very slightly warmer in summer if the same source is used, as Steinkjers Aug months beats Umeå more than the July difference.
Mind you, I always compare means when someone states "warmer" or "colder". But the difference is so small it is completely meaningless!
Steinkjer 2002-2018 vs Umeå 2002-2018 Jun: 17.9/8.0 vs 18.0/7.0 Jul: 21.5/11 vs 21.4/10.9 Aug: 20.3/10.4 vs 19.8/9.7 |
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Post by irlinit on Apr 26, 2019 2:25:53 GMT -5
F like most Scandinavian climates.
Funny how there isn’t much difference in average highs in July from Scandinavia down to Eastern Europe at 50N though
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It looks a bit complicated to get full access.
