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Post by chesternz on Nov 17, 2019 3:04:36 GMT -5
Subtropical? No, more like SUBARCTIC! Not a single month has a mean above 20 C. Plus, the record low of -4 C and high of 30 C is what you'd expect of somewhere in Scandinavia, not somewhere of the same latitude as Seville. Embarrassing.
Don't be thrown off by the (relatively) mild winters - the constant rain, wind and chronic lack of sun makes it feel much colder.
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Post by Crunch41 on Nov 17, 2019 15:03:41 GMT -5
Warm oceanic is what I would call it. Subtropical means hot summers to me and this place has mild summers.
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Post by knot on Nov 17, 2019 15:07:43 GMT -5
Regarding Köppenites, I love how the subtropical threshold does not need to be precisely met to be deemed "subtropical" (i.e. the >20° C mean threshold), but when it comes to very borderline subpolar (Cfc) climates such as Alston, Cumbria...they somehow don't get the pass for subpolar.
Bloody hypocrites, they are!
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 17, 2019 18:56:52 GMT -5
Auckland is not subtropical. Period. This would be a better discussion if the climate in question was like Sydney or something.
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Post by tij on Nov 17, 2019 18:59:23 GMT -5
Auckland is not subtropical. Period. This would be a better discussion if the climate in question was like Sydney or something. Well we wouldn't be having this discussion if there wasn't a dispute regarding its subtropicality...
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Post by candle on Nov 17, 2019 19:07:57 GMT -5
Auckland is not subtropical. Period. This would be a better discussion if the climate in question was like Sydney or something. Sydney is undoubtedly subtropical. Not much point in discussing it.
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 17, 2019 19:08:53 GMT -5
Auckland is not subtropical. Period. This would be a better discussion if the climate in question was like Sydney or something. Sydney is undoubtedly subtropical. Not much point in discussing it. I agree Sydney is subtropical but it’s much closer than Auckland.
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Post by omegaraptor on Nov 17, 2019 19:11:08 GMT -5
Warm oceanic, which is different from subtropical.
It's an extremely mild climate, but 74/60 warmest month is not subtropical in any sense of the word.
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Post by Ethereal on Dec 15, 2019 7:54:28 GMT -5
It is subtropical in the vegetation sense, if that makes sense.
But, climatically, it is oceanic/temperate at best.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2019 16:18:06 GMT -5
Subtropical? No, more like SUBARCTIC! Not a single month has a mean above 20 C. Plus, the record low of -4 C and high of 30 C is what you'd expect of somewhere in Scandinavia, not somewhere of the same latitude as Seville. Embarrassing. Don't be thrown off by the (relatively) mild winters - the constant rain, wind and chronic lack of sun makes it feel much colder. Well said; climates in New Zealand are a disaster for their latitude.
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Post by irlinit on Dec 15, 2019 18:12:49 GMT -5
I’d imagine it to feel even more oceanic than the UK. At least the south eastern part of the UK can get some ‘heat’ each year. A record max of 30C is pathetic.. I know it is quite far from mainland Australia but surely it should be able to do better than that for its latitude?
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Post by chesternz on Dec 17, 2019 6:25:48 GMT -5
Wikipedia gives a record of 34.4 C for Auckland, but I'm not sure which site. Inland suburbs probably have higher maxes than coastal ones but I think the entire area is never too far from the ocean (it's basically an isthmus).
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Post by srfoskey on Dec 18, 2019 17:25:47 GMT -5
I feel like it's too cool to be considered subtropical, in the same way I wouldn't really consider the San Francisco Bay Area subtropical. While Auckland has mild winters and can grow a lot of subtropical plants, it lacks a significant summer. I feel like the mean of 22 C in the hottest month is good as a cutoff for subtropical climates.
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Post by boombo on Dec 19, 2019 14:13:45 GMT -5
Warm-ish annual average plus no real winter = subtropical, boring oceanic variety or not.
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Post by Babu on Dec 20, 2019 6:18:17 GMT -5
"If place A has climate B, and place C has the same vegetation as place A, then C must have climate B". Sounds like one of those classic IQ test questions, and it seems you failed the test, Joe.
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Post by Babu on Dec 20, 2019 10:58:51 GMT -5
"If place A has climate B, and place C has the same vegetation as place A, then C must have climate B". Sounds like one of those classic IQ test questions, and it seems you failed the test, Joe. I can't recall saying that - perhaps you can show me where I've have? It's kind of been your rhetoric this whole time. I mean, I agree Auckland is subtropical, but it's not because of the vegetation.
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Post by trolik on Dec 20, 2019 17:22:23 GMT -5
it doesn't even get to 20c mean in the warmest month let alone 22c so no.
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Post by candle on Dec 20, 2019 22:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by Ethereal on Dec 29, 2019 1:51:54 GMT -5
It is subtropical in the vegetation sense, if that makes sense. But, climatically, it is oceanic/temperate at best. What is it at worst? All C climates are temperate, which includes subtropical climates.I know. I was being basic.
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