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Post by Lommaren on Oct 10, 2017 10:56:35 GMT -5
... what would your climate look like if you by yourself re-directed winds and airflows over the course of a year?  Take your latitude and normal patterns into at least reasonable account  Mine:  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 17:37:07 GMT -5
With SW winds in winter and SE winds in summer the following months are feasible in Buxton (and have happened before at various times). All in one year would be look like this:  |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 10, 2017 17:45:52 GMT -5
With SW winds in winter and SE winds in summer the following months are feasible in Buxton (and have happened before at various times). All in one year would be look like this: Haha some of my months are out of bounds because everything would have to be manipulated to a level nature can't do. We're way too close to the Gulf Stream to top 24C in June like Helsinki did in 1993 for example. But if I hit SE winds all summer but slowed it down with some westerlies at night I think 24/11 is quite plausible for June  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 17:54:34 GMT -5
Well my July is a bit higher than the record high, and I think some of my winter SW'ly months would be wetter. But still if we were to imagine a very blocked in pattern with constant southerly winds who knows how warm the temperatures could build up to? They probably would reach more than record levels!
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 5:35:51 GMT -5
I can't believe I just spent an hour making this...  This would be the best possible of each month. Each is also what I suspect to be fractionally better than any month that has happened. The most doubtful month is actually March. I realized our warmest Marches wouldn't be the sunniest, but I'm hoping a very sunny March could be a bit warmer than average at least, if there's snow cover because of the mild winter, then surely it could be? |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 6:04:11 GMT -5
I can't believe I just spent an hour making this... This would be the best possible of each month. Each is also what I suspect to be fractionally better than any month that has happened. The most doubtful month is actually March. I realized our warmest Marches wouldn't be the sunniest, but I'm hoping a very sunny March could be a bit warmer than average at least, if there's snow cover because of the mild winter, then surely it could be? The key I've found down here during winter is that the warmest days are when the sun is out between dawn and almost dusk, but then a cloud cover sets in during afternoon and traps the heat in. You'd need to do something similar in Umeå to keep the warmth around. If you did bring cloud cover in during nights you could actually limit night frosts to -2C or something |
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 6:18:17 GMT -5
I can't believe I just spent an hour making this... This would be the best possible of each month. Each is also what I suspect to be fractionally better than any month that has happened. The most doubtful month is actually March. I realized our warmest Marches wouldn't be the sunniest, but I'm hoping a very sunny March could be a bit warmer than average at least, if there's snow cover because of the mild winter, then surely it could be? The key I've found down here during winter is that the warmest days are when the sun is out between dawn and almost dusk, but then a cloud cover sets in during afternoon and traps the heat in. You'd need to do something similar in Umeå to keep the warmth around. If you did bring cloud cover in during nights you could actually limit night frosts to -2C or something Yeah, well, I based it off of the warmest months that had happened. Sure, Umeå could average 20'C lows with those 25'C highs in July if every night was heavily overcast, but that's just magic. And March would get above-freezing lows along with the sunshine and highs, but still, that would never be possible. Mine are at least possible. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 6:35:33 GMT -5
Yeah, well, I based it off of the warmest months that had happened. Sure, Umeå could average 20'C lows with those 25'C highs in July if every night was heavily overcast, but that's just magic. And March would get above-freezing lows along with the sunshine and highs, but still, that would never be possible. Mine are at least possible. I updated the OP, what do you think about it now? Reasonable sun times for what I want to accomplish? I certainly think so: as long as the summer night winds are from the interior that is  |
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 6:45:30 GMT -5
Yeah, well, I based it off of the warmest months that had happened. Sure, Umeå could average 20'C lows with those 25'C highs in July if every night was heavily overcast, but that's just magic. And March would get above-freezing lows along with the sunshine and highs, but still, that would never be possible. Mine are at least possible. I updated the OP, what do you think about it now? Reasonable sun times for what I want to accomplish? I certainly think so: as long as the summer night winds are from the interior that is I mean, the summer months are sunnier than anything that's ever happened before but sure. |
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Post by Hiromant on Oct 11, 2017 7:27:25 GMT -5
I would remove about half the rain, winter would start in late October and be at least 10°C colder. Spring is actually fine.
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 7:28:59 GMT -5
I updated the OP, what do you think about it now? Reasonable sun times for what I want to accomplish? I certainly think so: as long as the summer night winds are from the interior that is I mean, the summer months are sunnier than anything that's ever happened before but sure. I'd remove the clouds and pump SE winds over the sea during mornings so to temper the sun strength, then hit some winds from the interior at 9 pm and nights ought to be fixed |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 11, 2017 8:53:37 GMT -5
So are these real months or did you just pull them off your ass?
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 8:55:59 GMT -5
So are these real months or did you just pull them off your ass? I bought a HAARP weapon and re-directed a bunch of airflows It's not too far away from some records though. I used the "Stockholm Hottest Months" weatherbox I did as a baseline. It's the entire point of this though, manipulate ideal conditions at your place by removing "bad" obstacles for those, in effect blocking summer westerlies during daytime here etc. |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 11, 2017 9:02:48 GMT -5
I bought a HAARP weapon and re-directed a bunch of airflows It's not too far away from some records though. I used the "Stockholm Hottest Months" weatherbox I did as a baseline. It's the entire point of this though, manipulate ideal conditions at your place by removing "bad" obstacles for those, in effect blocking summer westerlies during daytime here etc. So "ass" is the correct answer. Then it's no fun when there's no proof of those conditions/months actually happening. A bit like jackierudetsky's threads.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 9:06:59 GMT -5
The idea, as I see it, is to see what a year would look like if you had months dominated by your ideal weather patterns. All of the ones in my table are technically feasible months - that could happen in reality, and indeed have done at various times.
If anything, it demonstrates how rare it is to get a stuck in weather pattern that gives you ideal conditions for a whole month - but it does happen. It obviously would not however, happen every single month of one calendar year.
It gives an idea of how potentially warm a year could be - with about a million to one chance.
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Post by Babu on Oct 11, 2017 9:18:47 GMT -5
The idea, as I see it, is to see what a year would look like if you had months dominated by your ideal weather patterns. All of the ones in my table are technically feasible months - that could happen in reality, and indeed have done at various times. If anything, it demonstrates how rare it is to get a stuck in weather pattern that gives you ideal conditions for a whole month - but it does happen. It obviously would not however, happen every single month of one calendar year. It gives an idea of how potentially warm a year could be - with about a million to one chance. Yeah, I find this more intriguing than Lommaren's idea. If each month could happen, it's much more fun than just waving your magic wand and creating a totally impossible weather pattern. |
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Post by jgtheone on Oct 11, 2017 9:26:22 GMT -5
Actual successful frontal systems in winter, and none in the summer. also south westerlies in summer B E G O N E (Apart from January and February max temps, every value here is either very possible or has happened. I am still a firm believer that we can average in the 30s in summer but only given the right conditions and airflows.)  |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 9:28:04 GMT -5
The idea, as I see it, is to see what a year would look like if you had months dominated by your ideal weather patterns. All of the ones in my table are technically feasible months - that could happen in reality, and indeed have done at various times. If anything, it demonstrates how rare it is to get a stuck in weather pattern that gives you ideal conditions for a whole month - but it does happen. It obviously would not however, happen every single month of one calendar year. It gives an idea of how potentially warm a year could be - with about a million to one chance. Potentially July could have a 28C avg high here, but I haven't even used that because I don't find that ideal |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 11, 2017 13:08:14 GMT -5
The idea, as I see it, is to see what a year would look like if you had months dominated by your ideal weather patterns. All of the ones in my table are technically feasible months - that could happen in reality, and indeed have done at various times. If anything, it demonstrates how rare it is to get a stuck in weather pattern that gives you ideal conditions for a whole month - but it does happen. It obviously would not however, happen every single month of one calendar year. It gives an idea of how potentially warm a year could be - with about a million to one chance. I don't doubt your climate box. It's only Lommaren's which seems far off. |
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 11, 2017 13:14:55 GMT -5
I don't doubt your climate box. It's only Lommaren's which seems far off. We've had 19C May highs, 22C June highs, 20C September highs before and yes... in 1990 Stockholm had a 4.3C mean That's higher than what I put here. Also in 2005, Oxelösund recorded 13C if I'm not mistaken. It'd take a lot but this would render perfect conditions and low-pressure systems being dominant in winter and completely shut out in summer. |
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