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Post by MET on Mar 15, 2021 10:08:16 GMT -5
Yeah, how heavy is the rain. That makes the entire difference. 10°C and light rain/drizzle is more comfortable than the -1°C with snow, but heavy rain in even up to 16°C has given me hypothermia before (in July 2008 at an airshow, during a heavy downpour) and I would've rather been in snow in comparison.
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Post by FrozenI69 on Mar 15, 2021 10:45:26 GMT -5
Yeah, how heavy is the rain. That makes the entire difference. 10°C and light rain/drizzle is more comfortable than the -1°C with snow, but heavy rain in even up to 16°C has given me hypothermia before (in July 2008 at an airshow, during a heavy downpour) and I would've rather been in snow in comparison. Heavy snow like that would make you go "Oh Fuck" |
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Post by MET on Mar 15, 2021 11:38:23 GMT -5
Yeah, how heavy is the rain. That makes the entire difference. 10°C and light rain/drizzle is more comfortable than the -1°C with snow, but heavy rain in even up to 16°C has given me hypothermia before (in July 2008 at an airshow, during a heavy downpour) and I would've rather been in snow in comparison. Heavy snow like that would make you go "Oh Fuck" It most assuredly wouldn't. I have both been in - and driven in - snow exactly like in that video before. I was taught how to drive in snow and ice by a Scottish driving instructor, and it was interesting to see other people sliding off the road in the same snow because they didn't know how to handle a skid. Glad I learned that skill personally, as I used to delivery drive daily across the highest (and hilliest, bendiest) roads in England. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Mar 15, 2021 13:42:28 GMT -5
Mild rain or warm snow? Objectively the mild rain.
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 19, 2021 7:18:18 GMT -5
10C and rain isn't even uncomfortable imo. It's just annoying. And that's what makes it uncomfortable. I'll begrudging go with -1C and snow. At least it gives a "cosy" feeling. And I'm not a fan of either anyway. |
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Post by MET on Mar 19, 2021 17:53:27 GMT -5
I've worked many a day in 10C with heavy rain, and also -1C and snow - to think that -1C would some how feel more comfortable, is a little detached from reality imo.Did a bit of search and recsue training back in the day - there was a strong emphasis on how snow was a game changer, for the worse. I completely disagree, it was things that actually happened, not some made up shit.
You're talking from personal experience, as am I. Not everybody experiences the same conditions the exact same way - for example due to differences in physiology, health and other factors. To call someone else's experiences "detached from reality" seems like a form of gaslighting; rather arrogant.
I've walked a considerable time in a blizzard with 40mph gusts without much trouble (March 2013, again in March 2018), and in similar clothing had hypothermia in 14°C in a torrential downpour. I personally don't tolerate dampness around my head area. But if that makes me "detached from reality" in our world, k. It was the reality, however.
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Post by jgtheone on Mar 19, 2021 18:00:00 GMT -5
10C and rain for sure. -1C and snow is comfy as well, but I wouldn't want it for days on end.
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Post by MET on Mar 19, 2021 19:04:09 GMT -5
I completely disagree.
You're talking from personal experience, as am I. Not everybody experiences the same conditions the exact same way - for example due to differences in physiology, health and other factors. To call someone else's experiences "detached from reality" seems like a form of gaslighting; rather arrogant.
I've walked a considerable time in a blizzard with 40mph gusts without much trouble (March 2013, again in March 2018), and in similar clothing had hypothermia in 14°C in a torrential downpour. I personally don't tolerate dampness around my head area. But if that makes me "detached from reality" in our world, k. It was the reality, however.
I've read over search and rescue reports from this region, and 10C - 14C rain hypothermia incidents are pretty thin on the ground. While there are reports that have fatalities from rain and wind, snow dominates by a very large percentage, in cases with fatalities. Maybe detached from reality isn't the best one to say it, but correctly recognising levels of danger in your environment, is one way of keeping you walking this Earth for longer. Sure; don't doubt it man. That my experiences might be atypical is interesting, for I speak only of experiences I've had, and everyone's are valid however common or rare. Bearing in mind that my experiences were times when I went out in thunderstorms (I'm a bit over enthusiastic about those) which had pretty severe rain rates and I didn't have a good place to escape to quick enough. One of the storms had a 200mm/hr radar indicated rainfall rate. Those are the kinds of cases where people can indeed succumb to hypothermia even at relatively mild temperatures.
I think back to February when I remember thinking how much better it was to be out in 0/-2°C temperatures with snow than 5°C+ with cold rain that was an almost daily occurence in January, in particular. I wasn't getting soaked, at least. Felt more comfortable to me...
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Post by MET on Mar 20, 2021 12:32:02 GMT -5
Sure; don't doubt it man. That my experiences might be atypical is interesting, for I speak only of experiences I've had, and everyone's are valid however common or rare. Bearing in mind that my experiences were times when I went out in thunderstorms (I'm a bit over enthusiastic about those) which had pretty severe rain rates and I didn't have a good place to escape to quick enough. One of the storms had a 200mm/hr radar indicated rainfall rate. Those are the kinds of cases where people can indeed succumb to hypothermia even at relatively mild temperatures.
I think back to February when I remember thinking how much better it was to be out in 0/-2°C temperatures with snow than 5°C+ with cold rain that was an almost daily occurence in January, in particular. I wasn't getting soaked, at least. Felt more comfortable to me...
Heavy rain at relatively mild temperatures is common here, but reports of hypothermia from those conditions just don't seem to be anywere I'm looking for them.
This was in mid-january and early February, a period of persistent rainy weather and (max) temps between 1-10°C, and yes I go outside whatever the weather's doing. I don't have an umbrella, so I can get quite wet if it's raining. My umberallas always seem to blow inside out or fall apart and I end up smashing them up in a rage, so I don't waste money on them. Winter rain here is rarely heavy, just annoying and enough to get you wet, hence why I prefer light snow.
On the second point, my experiences of hypothermia were referring to two experiences that occurred when I went out to observe storms and got "caught out", so to speak, in what would be nothing short of torrential rain, which is certainly capable of soaking somebody within minutes if not seconds, to the point where they lose heat fast enough for their body temperature to drop quite low. I recorded all the weather details from those days, so know of the general conditions and, at least in one case, the actual rain rates recorded.
My cases weren't officially reported, and the rarity of it happening was likely because most people don't tend to wander too far on foot when a storm is about to hit like I did; I'm more careful to avoid getting to a place where I can't easily take cover if I'm out observing storms these days.
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