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Post by tommyFL on Jul 3, 2021 12:32:39 GMT -5
I've recently come across a way of converting solar radiation data measured by a pyranometer to hours of sunshine and it seems to give quite reasonable results. I've downloaded this calculator from the University of California-Davis. Instead of applying a threshold of 120 W/m² to define what counts as sunshine, this method takes into account latitude and day of the year to compare mean daily radiation and max possible mean daily radiation. When I calculated this year's sunshine for the Blue Hills RAWS station and compared to the Blue Hill Observatory (Campbell-Stokes recorder) in Massachusetts, the calculated number up to the end of May came out to 914.0 hours compared to a measured 931.6 hours, or an error of -2%. Since the RAWS station is at the bottom of the hill and the observatory at the top, some of this may be explained by the increased day length and lack of vegetation shading at the observatory. The calculator accepts units of MJ/m² for mean daily radiation Rs (column E) to calculate daily sunshine hours n (column F) and fraction of possible sunshine n/N (column R). Percent possible sunshine should be treated as 0% for negative n/N values and 100% for n/N greater than 1. - to convert from W/m² to MJ/m², multiply by 0.0864 - to convert from Langleys (ly) to MJ/m², multiply by 0.04184 RAWS is a nationwide network of stations that measure solar radiation in Langleys. raws.dri.edu/Navigate to the state and station you want, go to "Daily Summary Time Series" on the left menu, and select your POR. It helps to select "only complete data" to make sure days with missing data don't appear. The only issue I noticed with the calculator is the "elevation" input is not used anywhere, so it does seems like the results will be most accurate closer to sea level, with a clear horizon, and not in an location exposed to additional daylight such as a hilltop.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 3, 2021 12:43:52 GMT -5
Here are some average annual sunshine totals I've calculated from RAWS stations (in most cases). Keep in mind most of these have less than a 20 year POR and may not be comparable to the 1961-1990 values seen in U.S. climate boxes.
Big Pine Key, FL: 2541 hrs Cache, FL: 2716 hrs Allapattah Flats, FL (SFWMD station): 2424 hrs Paisley, FL: 2453 hrs St Marks, FL: 2696 hrs Dare County Bombing Range, NC: 2824 hrs Woodbine, NJ: 2281 hrs Queen, NM: 3345 hrs Fort Yuma, AZ: 3492 hrs Redstone, CO: 2858 hrs Cabo Rojo, PR; 2975 hrs Pali 2, HI: 2636 hrs
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 3, 2021 16:12:20 GMT -5
I’ll calculate for the CSU station tonight when I get a chance. Seems like it would a more accurate method than >120 w/m^2, at least for Fort Collins. Unless of course the solar radiation measurements are off.
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Post by Yahya Sinwar on Jul 3, 2021 16:28:37 GMT -5
Here are some average annual sunshine totals I've calculated from RAWS stations (in most cases). Keep in mind most of these have less than a 20 year POR and may not be comparable to the 1961-1990 values seen in U.S. climate boxes. Big Pine Key, FL: 2541 hrs Cache, FL: 2716 hrs Allapattah Flats, FL (SFWMD station): 2424 hrs Paisley, FL: 2453 hrs St Marks, FL: 2696 hrs Dare County Bombing Range, NC: 2824 hrs Woodbine, NJ: 2281 hrs Queen, NM: 3345 hrs Fort Yuma, AZ: 3492 hrs Redstone, CO: 2858 hrs Cabo Rojo, PR; 2975 hrs Pali 2, HI: 2636 hrs Weird b87 told me I’d average 2200-2300 in NC. Thank you tommy !
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Post by chesternz on Jul 4, 2021 0:10:18 GMT -5
Interesting. I've often heard that sunshine hours at many US sites are overstated due to the thresholds used differing from internationally accepted standards. For example, there's almost a 200 hr difference between Windsor and Detroit despite the two cities being right next to one another.
I'm curious as to whether the 3400 hr figure for Key West is accurate. I've always thought it seemed unrealistic. Ditto for Miami's 3150 hrs.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 4, 2021 0:46:37 GMT -5
Interesting. I've often heard that sunshine hours at many US sites are overstated due to the thresholds used differing from internationally accepted standards. For example, there's almost a 200 hr difference between Windsor and Detroit despite the two cities being right next to one another. I'm curious as to whether the 3400 hr figure for Key West is accurate. I've always thought it seemed unrealistic. Ditto for Miami's 3150 hrs. There is a station on Big Pine Key that measures solar radiation. It's located about 30 miles east of Key West and averages a calculated 2539 hours (2007-2021). Miami is a bit trickier, as the nearest stations are further inland. The closer one, Chekika, averages 2551 hours (2002-2021). Further south, Cache averages 2714 hours (1999-2021). I think it's entirely possible than FL has become cloudier since the 1961-1990 period that all the sunshine averages are from. Maybe the 3000+ hour figures were close to reality before, but not anymore. Interestingly, these calculated values are much closer to the old measured sunshine elsewhere in the country (especially the Western US) than in Florida, so that supports that theory.
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Post by Babu on Jul 4, 2021 3:51:21 GMT -5
You have to be careful about what kind of sun strength measuring device you're using this formula on. It has to be a pyranometer mounted facing straight up.
Also, a lot of people (myself a couple months ago included) completely misinterpret what the 120W/m² threshold actually means. SMHI for example "defines" sunshine as 120W/m² of direct raduation, but none of their stations actually use a 120W/m² threshold.
The most important part is that 120W/m² beeds to be the intensity of only the direct rays coming straight from the sun. If you just point a pyranometer to the sky during a cloudy day, it's likely to record 120W/m², but that's because it takes in light from every part of the sky. The 120W/m² must be coming ONLY from the little point in the sky where the sun is. Any attempt to measure sunshine from a single static pyranometer is going to fail, and at best, like with your algorithm Tommy, will only serve to form a rough approximation of what the sun may be, similar to if you were to try and calculate sun hours based on cloud cover octas observations.
The way SMHI measures sunshine is using three different pyranometers, one pointing straight up, one pointing to the left and one to the right. The difference between the highest and lowest W/m² reading is then used to determine whether the sun is shining or not (effectively a pyranometer shined on by the sun is compared to a pyranometer shaded from the sun, to get a value for how strong the actual sunlight itself is). This so-called contrast station, before being put to use, needs to be calibrated by being put next to a mechanical heliograph with a pyranometer at the bottom of a tube that automatically tracks the sun. The reason SMHI doesn't just use heliographs is because they're unreliable since they have to be accurately tracking the sun's movement 24/7/365, through ice and storms.
There are some stations that use classical C-S recorders as well.
I've noticed almost all of Norway's sun stations have like 30-80% data coverage. This is only a hypothesis since I don't know what type of equipment they use, but I think that could be that they're using heliographs, and heliographs just aren't very reliable long-term.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 6:15:37 GMT -5
Here are some average annual sunshine totals I've calculated from RAWS stations (in most cases). Keep in mind most of these have less than a 20 year POR and may not be comparable to the 1961-1990 values seen in U.S. climate boxes. Big Pine Key, FL: 2541 hrs Cache, FL: 2716 hrs Allapattah Flats, FL (SFWMD station): 2424 hrs Paisley, FL: 2453 hrs St Marks, FL: 2696 hrs Dare County Bombing Range, NC: 2824 hrs Woodbine, NJ: 2281 hrs Queen, NM: 3345 hrs Fort Yuma, AZ: 3492 hrs Redstone, CO: 2858 hrs Cabo Rojo, PR; 2975 hrs Pali 2, HI: 2636 hrs Weird b87 told me I’d average 2200-2300 in NC. Thank you tommy ! No I didn't; I said that Boston would average 2200-2300 with a C/S recorder, because it does!
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 4, 2021 12:23:49 GMT -5
I calculated 2020 for the 3 Colorado Mesonet stations in Fort Collins.
The main Fort Collins station had 3733 hours, a clearly inaccurate value. The Christmas field station had an also BS 3412 hours.
The 3rd station had 2692 hours, which is in the realm of possibility, but seems low, especially since last year was a drought year. So then I did it for 2019 which had 2427 hours with 3 weeks of missing data in October. That would be like 2550-2600 for a full year which pretty much confirms this station is too low and not accurate either.
The two RAWS stations Tommy used had very reasonable values so I think the problem is more that these mesonet stations collect faulty solar radiation data.
The problem with the RAWS stations is they’re both at higher elevations and at least 15 miles away. I also haven’t figured out to to easily upload their data to excel.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 4, 2021 21:55:43 GMT -5
I calculated 2020 for the 3 Colorado Mesonet stations in Fort Collins. The main Fort Collins station had 3733 hours, a clearly inaccurate value. The Christmas field station had an also BS 3412 hours. The 3rd station had 2692 hours, which is in the realm of possibility, but seems low, especially since last year was a drought year. So then I did it for 2019 which had 2427 hours with 3 weeks of missing data in October. That would be like 2550-2600 for a full year which pretty much confirms this station is too low and not accurate either. The two RAWS stations Tommy used had very reasonable values so I think the problem is more that these mesonet stations collect faulty solar radiation data. The problem with the RAWS stations is they’re both at higher elevations and at least 15 miles away. I also haven’t figured out to to easily upload their data to excel. It could be the elevation that is giving you the too high values. Higher elevations will have a higher max possible radiation, so that will result in more sunshine hours than reality. From what I can tell, the elevation input isn't used anywhere in the calculator. Maybe they had intended to include it but left it out by mistake.
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 4, 2021 23:40:10 GMT -5
It could be the elevation that is giving you the too high values. Higher elevations will have a higher max possible radiation, so that will result in more sunshine hours than reality. From what I can tell, the elevation input isn't used anywhere in the calculator. Maybe they had intended to include it but left it out by mistake. Although the values for the two RAWS stations seem reasonable and those are ag similarly high elevation so that wouldn’t seem to be the issue.
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 5, 2021 12:40:07 GMT -5
Redstone RAWS had a bullshit 1008 hours in 2018 so I won’t be using that.
That leaves Buckeye RAWS which is 17 miles north of Fort Collins and a bit higher.
It’s por only goes back to June 2017 but it had 2900, 2763, and 3189 hours the past 3 years.
June 2017-June 2021 gives an average of 2961 hours but all 3, especially 2020 were dry years so I’d expect the long term average to be a bit lower. Also with only 4-5 years of data for each month, it’s very easy for a year like 2020 to skew them upward.
So overall this seems like a reliable station with reasonable results. I’d expect the long term average to come out to about 2900 hours, my estimate off of old sunshine maps was 2940 so that would seem right.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 5, 2021 14:14:50 GMT -5
Redstone RAWS had a bullshit 1008 hours in 2018 so I won’t be using that. That leaves Buckeye RAWS which is 17 miles north of Fort Collins and a bit higher. It’s por only goes back to June 2017 but it had 2900, 2763, and 3189 hours the past 3 years. June 2017-June 2021 gives an average of 2961 hours but all 3, especially 2020 were dry years so I’d expect the long term average to be a bit lower. Also with only 4-5 years of data for each month, it’s very easy for a year like 2020 to skew them upward. So overall this seems like a reliable station with reasonable results. I’d expect the long term average to come out to about 2900 hours, my estimate off of old sunshine maps was 2940 so that would seem right. If you're getting years that are out of place, it could be missing data. Instead of calculating for each month/year and averaging them, I calculated the average for each day of the year (from all years) and then averaged each of those from each month. This eliminates the problem of days missing from a particular month or year. I got 2954 hrs for Buckeye this way. Small difference overall but seems like the difference is a bit bigger between individual months.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 5, 2021 14:30:02 GMT -5
Some more stations I calculated sunshine hours for:
Merritt Island, FL (Titusville): 2576 hrs Olustee, FL: 2708 hrs Waycross, GA: 2812 hrs Finch's Station, NC (Goldsboro): 2631 hrs Redding, CA: 3602 hrs Hopi, AZ: 3626 hrs Rachel Carson, ME: 1962 hrs (possibly lots of tree shading here) Wilow Creek, OR (Eugene): 2363 hrs Dos Palmas, CA (Salton Sea area): 4132 hrs Red Rock, NV (Las Vegas): 3658 hrs El Mirage, CA (Victorville): 3962 hrs Midewin Tallgrass Prairie (SW of Chicago), IL: 2216 hrs Watkinsville, GA: 2631 hrs Attwater NWR, TX (W of Houston): 2336 hrs
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 7, 2021 20:02:46 GMT -5
Can you calculate solar radiation of non-US cities? There is a website (forgot its name) that has a world map with a solar radiation layer.
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Post by jetshnl on Jul 7, 2021 20:05:28 GMT -5
Can you calculate solar radiation of non-US cities? There is a website (forgot its name) that has a world map with a solar radiation layer. Non-US cities (aside canada) actually measure sunshine hours though.
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Post by chesternz on Jul 7, 2021 23:37:36 GMT -5
Some more stations I calculated sunshine hours for: Merritt Island, FL (Titusville): 2576 hrsOlustee, FL: 2708 hrsWaycross, GA: 2812 hrsFinch's Station, NC (Goldsboro): 2631 hrsRedding, CA: 3602 hrsHopi, AZ: 3626 hrsRachel Carson, ME: 1962 hrs (possibly lots of tree shading here) Wilow Creek, OR (Eugene): 2363 hrsDos Palmas, CA (Salton Sea area): 4132 hrsRed Rock, NV (Las Vegas): 3658 hrsEl Mirage, CA (Victorville): 3962 hrsMidewin Tallgrass Prairie (SW of Chicago), IL: 2216 hrsWatkinsville, GA: 2631 hrsAttwater NWR, TX (W of Houston): 2336 hrsDamn, how many hours does Dos Palmas officially record? Looks like they get almost as much as physically possible (4400ish).
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 7, 2021 23:46:38 GMT -5
Some more stations I calculated sunshine hours for: Merritt Island, FL (Titusville): 2576 hrsOlustee, FL: 2708 hrsWaycross, GA: 2812 hrsFinch's Station, NC (Goldsboro): 2631 hrsRedding, CA: 3602 hrsHopi, AZ: 3626 hrsRachel Carson, ME: 1962 hrs (possibly lots of tree shading here) Wilow Creek, OR (Eugene): 2363 hrsDos Palmas, CA (Salton Sea area): 4132 hrsRed Rock, NV (Las Vegas): 3658 hrsEl Mirage, CA (Victorville): 3962 hrsMidewin Tallgrass Prairie (SW of Chicago), IL: 2216 hrsWatkinsville, GA: 2631 hrsAttwater NWR, TX (W of Houston): 2336 hrsDamn, how many hours does Dos Palmas officially record? Looks like they get almost as much as physically possible (4400ish). There's no way of knowing. Closest thing would be Yuma, which averages 4015 hours but is 90 miles away. Dos Palmas is slightly drier and below sea level, though. Its sunshine figures are probably similar to Death Valley (which doesn't record it either).
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Post by knot on Jul 7, 2021 23:48:52 GMT -5
Is it possible to convert AU sites with this method? 36.21° S, 981 m AMSL on an exposed hilltop:
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 7, 2021 23:52:55 GMT -5
Is it possible to convert AU sites with this method? 36.21° S, 981 m AMSL on an exposed hilltop: You can probably just take each month’s value and copy it into the spreadsheet for every day. Ex, fill in the 26.2 in January for every day day in January in the spreadsheet and so on. Looks pretty easy actually. Two more places I did: Flagstaff, AZ: 3205 hours Bishop, CA: 3468 hours Seems like places with lots of sunshine match up more closely while the east and south get significantly less which makes sense. Would also be interesting to do a monthly breakdown for all those places tommyFL.
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