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Post by greysrigging on Aug 4, 2021 19:10:16 GMT -5
What Melbourne does have that may be of some interest climatically, is the wild fluctuations of max temps in the summer months. A Southern Ocean front pushing through a Tasman Sea blocking high is often a sight to behold, and gives Melbourne the the reputation of having 'four seasons in one day'.
Here's a couple of January ( height of summer ) examples...consecutive daily max temps.
A/- 21.7c, 40.0c, 43.6c, 22.3c. Then later in the month - 35.4c, 40.7c, 16.1c, 18.1c.
B/- 20.0c, 32.8c, 22.0c, 38.0c, 40.5c, 40.4c, 21.6c.
C/- 18.9c, 19.1c, 18.6c, 20.7c, 33.8c, 37.5c, 40.1c, 17.7c, 16.4c, 19.1c.
D/-22.2c, 34.1c, 20.9c, 36.0c, 34,5c, 39.1c, 40.5c, 22.5c, 23.1c, 35.5c, 32.2c, 20.5c.
These temps are not an anomaly.....it happens every summer.
The last half of Jan 2021 - 20.6c, 20.1c, 20.2c, 22.6c, 31.6c, 25.0c, 26.7c, 37.8c, 39.2c, 19.3c, 25.8c, 25.5c, 21.6c, 21.9c, 21.6c.
Its really is crap !
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Post by deneb78 on Aug 4, 2021 20:18:25 GMT -5
It's not localized at all. Go anywhere north from San Francisco on the California coastline and it's the same phenomenon: Fort Bragg, Eureka etc. Ummm yes it is. As soon as you go even, like, 10 km inland…all the fog burns off and reveals the real temp. That's absolutely not the case with Victorian climates—in fact, even hundreds of km inland in Victoria, the summers are the coolest on Earth for that latitude, bar-none. Fact: AU climates for any given latitude, have a cooler annual mean than US counterparts: e.g. Albury, NSW vs Nashville, TN (both @ 36° and ~ 150 m, and on the windward side of the ranges). That's true but the average yearly mean temps aren't that different between Albury and Nashville (15.8C vs. 16.0C). Nashville also averages a -13C low every winter and has recorded -27C. When was the last time that happened in Albury? Definitely not a good place for stable mild winters. Most of the inland southeastern US is the same and many of these places are classified as part of the sun belt. |
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Post by knot on Aug 4, 2021 20:32:28 GMT -5
That's true but the average yearly mean temps aren't that different between Albury and Nashville (15.8C vs. 16.0C). Nashville also averages a -13C low every winter and has recorded -27C. When was the last time that happened in Albury? Definitely not a good place for stable mild winters. Most of the inland southeastern US is the same and many of these places are classified as part of the sun belt. Records are irrelevant. End of story Also, for the same averages, records go both ways ways: whilst the AU winter will never get severely cold, it will neither get warm nor hot (unlike US winters which can get downright summery temps in winter). |
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Post by FrozenI69 on Aug 4, 2021 20:51:15 GMT -5
Melbourne looks like the central California Coast, So it's on the upper end of "SunBelt". Overall though, it's not all that hot & sunny compared to the US deep south & Southwest.
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Post by dunnowhattoputhere on Aug 4, 2021 20:59:03 GMT -5
That's true but the average yearly mean temps aren't that different between Albury and Nashville (15.8C vs. 16.0C). Nashville also averages a -13C low every winter and has recorded -27C. When was the last time that happened in Albury? Definitely not a good place for stable mild winters. Most of the inland southeastern US is the same and many of these places are classified as part of the sun belt. Records are irrelevant. End of story Also, for the same averages, records go both ways ways: whilst the AU winter will never get severely cold, it will neither get warm nor hot (unlike US winters which can get downright summery temps in winter). To deneb, never getting cold is more important than getting hot, so he won't care about that. He would probably prefer London over Nashville climate-wise because London can grow date palms. |
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Post by deneb78 on Aug 4, 2021 22:49:06 GMT -5
That's true but the average yearly mean temps aren't that different between Albury and Nashville (15.8C vs. 16.0C). Nashville also averages a -13C low every winter and has recorded -27C. When was the last time that happened in Albury? Definitely not a good place for stable mild winters. Most of the inland southeastern US is the same and many of these places are classified as part of the sun belt. Records are irrelevant. End of story Also, for the same averages, records go both ways ways: whilst the AU winter will never get severely cold, it will neither get warm nor hot (unlike US winters which can get downright summery temps in winter). I'm not talking only about records. If you look at the temperature chart of Nashville, I said the mean minimum temperature in winter is -13C. That means that is the average low temperature expected every winter. It's very relevant if it's expected every year. |
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Post by jetshnl on Aug 4, 2021 23:12:52 GMT -5
If it was in the USA it would have over 2600 sunshine houra. Temperaturę-wise it would be within that red zone in the wiki page you quoted.
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Post by jgtheone on Aug 4, 2021 23:51:24 GMT -5
If you were to draw any comparisons, San Jose is just a sunnier med version of Melbourne, temps are only a degree warmer overall. Don't let 2021 blind you too much because it's been a bad year here, especially in terms of sun. |
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Post by Ethereal on Aug 5, 2021 0:41:52 GMT -5
Maybe yes in the warmest years? For reference, here is the belt:  |
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Post by omegaraptor on Aug 5, 2021 1:01:06 GMT -5
San Jose, Livermore, and Sacramento are slightly cooler than Adelaide, SA.
Adelaide would be in that “barely sunbelt” zone, Renmark/Mildura are solidly sunbelt, and Melbourne would not be a sunbelt city. Mild winters are not enough to make a place part of the sunbelt. You need warmth for a decent portion of the year, and Melbourne doesn’t make the cut. Warrnambool isn’t even close.
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Post by MET on Aug 5, 2021 7:14:36 GMT -5
I would say "nope". It's just not that sunny compared to most of those in the area in the map above. Summers are also a bit weak and too changeable.
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Post by snj90 on Aug 5, 2021 14:57:23 GMT -5
Yes. For what it's worth, San Fransisco is listed as a Sun Belt city on Wikipedia.
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Post by deneb78 on Aug 5, 2021 17:54:41 GMT -5
If Tennessee is considered a sun belt state then Melbourne should qualify as it has a higher annual mean temperature than Knoxville and very close to Nashville.
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Post by snj90 on Aug 5, 2021 18:39:59 GMT -5
If Tennessee is considered a sun belt state then Melbourne should qualify as it has a higher annual mean temperature than Knoxville and very close to Nashville. I don't think Tennessee should be considered Sun Belt. That map isn't very good, IMO. Plus, it doesn't go far enough north in California. |
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Post by srfoskey on Aug 5, 2021 19:39:44 GMT -5
I'd say Melbourne is borderline.
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Post by Babu on Aug 6, 2021 16:19:45 GMT -5
First of all, Melbourne is a highly unusual climate for the region due to localised foehn winds. Please do not ever use it again when comparing to US climates. Thank you very much This is what the windward Victorian coast looks like—an annual mean of just 13.8° C @ 38° S:  What a stupid comparison, Melbourne is obviously not nearly as influenced by the sea. It's like comparing the San Francisco station to the San Rafael or San José station |
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Post by knot on Aug 6, 2021 16:33:06 GMT -5
What a stupid comparison, Melbourne is obviously not nearly as influenced by the sea. It's like comparing the San Francisco station to the San Rafael or San José station Wrong again mein neger Melbourne is shielded from prevailing westerlies by the Yarra Ranges to the north—as evident by its precipitation pattern. Windward Victorian climates have a very strong winter peak, not a winter low like in cucked Melbourne. Mount Gambier SA is about the same distance inland and exact same latitude as Melbourne:  ^Note the fundamental differences |
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Post by Babu on Aug 6, 2021 16:38:07 GMT -5
What a stupid comparison, Melbourne is obviously not nearly as influenced by the sea. It's like comparing the San Francisco station to the San Rafael or San José station Wrong again mein neger Melbourne is shielded from prevailing westerlies by the Yarra Ranges to the north—as evident by its precipitation pattern. Windward Victorian climates have a very strong winter peak, not a winter low like in cucked Melbourne. Mount Gambier SA is about the same distance inland and exact same latitude as Melbourne: ^Note the fundamental differences Who the actual fuck cares? One single autist does. |
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Post by knot on Aug 6, 2021 16:39:50 GMT -5
Who the actual fuck cares? One single autist does. Apparently you do, Mr. "What a stupid comparison, Melbourne is obviously not nearly as influenced by the sea. It's like comparing the San Francisco station to the San Rafael or San José station" Sit yo bitch ass down niggah |
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Post by Crunch41 on Aug 7, 2021 21:53:50 GMT -5
No, sun belt makes me think of somewhere warm. Inland south California counts, but SF shouldn't count IMO.
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