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Post by insertusername on Feb 6, 2022 7:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by MET on Feb 6, 2022 7:45:37 GMT -5
One of the dumbest things I ever read was some nonsense about literally "all" British people believing the UK is more subtropical than Florida.
I guess that explains why so many Floridian tourists would arrive in Buxton every winter to get some sunshine and warmth away from the sub-freezing lows of Tallahassee in their huge numbers. Oh wait...no.. that was a dream I had.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 8:03:50 GMT -5
One of the dumbest things I ever read was some nonsense about literally "all" British people believing the UK is more subtropical than Florida. I guess that explains why so many Floridian tourists would arrive in Buxton every winter to get some sunshine and warmth away from the sub-freezing lows of Tallahassee in their huge numbers. Oh wait...no.. that was a dream I had. Wasn't that the nonsense spouted by the known troll Carr, and parrotted by the alternate account 'JohnnyIsAPoser'on C-D at the moment? |
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Post by MET on Feb 6, 2022 8:04:52 GMT -5
One of the dumbest things I ever read was some nonsense about literally "all" British people believing the UK is more subtropical than Florida. I guess that explains why so many Floridian tourists would arrive in Buxton every winter to get some sunshine and warmth away from the sub-freezing lows of Tallahassee in their huge numbers. Oh wait...no.. that was a dream I had. Wasn't that the nonsense spouted by the known troll Carr, and parrotted by the alternate account 'JohnnyIsAPoser'on C-D at the moment? Exactly. Not too familiar with Jonnyposeur though as I rarely frequent CD other than to just copypaste my daily weather observations. |
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 6, 2022 8:07:35 GMT -5
One of the dumbest things I ever read was some nonsense about literally "all" British people believing the UK is more subtropical than Florida. I guess that explains why so many Floridian tourists would arrive in Buxton every winter to get some sunshine and warmth away from the sub-freezing lows of Tallahassee in their huge numbers. Oh wait...no.. that was a dream I had. Wasn't that the nonsense spouted by the known troll Carr, and parrotted by the alternate account 'JohnnyIsAPoser'on C-D at the moment? It was mostly that Carr/dcasey98 troll who's said that. Hard to tell if he was trolling or actually that insecure about a region's climate(s) lol. |
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Post by insertusername on Feb 6, 2022 8:12:54 GMT -5
@weatherman, LMFAO. That's all I can say about that.
Tallahassee is definitely not 'less subtropical than the UK', esp. not this winter. The downtown area tied its record January high of 28 Celsius on January 2, did not get its first freezing temperatures until January 17, and got no colder than -3 or -4 Celsius the whole month (and the whole winter so far for that matter!), so it's Zone 9b.
And yet, this January was just about average temperature-wise, taking the TimeAndDate data.
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Post by MET on Feb 6, 2022 8:17:09 GMT -5
@weatherman, LMFAO. That's all I can say about that. Tallahassee is definitely not 'less subtropical than the UK', esp. not this winter. The downtown area tied its record January high of 28 Celsius on January 2, did not get its first freezing temperatures until January 17, and got no colder than -3 or -4 Celsius the whole month (and the whole winter so far for that matter!), so it's Zone 9b. And yet, this January was just about average temperature-wise, taking the TimeAndDate data. Yeah lol, pretty sure very few British people really believe that, but then again one or two idiots on netweather or ukweatherworld might. I remember some dickhead on ukweatherworld saying "do you think it will reach 30°C on Christimas Day this year?" referring to the UK. Christ.... Thankfully idiots like that are rare. |
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 6, 2022 14:19:11 GMT -5
@weatherman, LMFAO. That's all I can say about that. Tallahassee is definitely not 'less subtropical than the UK', esp. not this winter. The downtown area tied its record January high of 28 Celsius on January 2, did not get its first freezing temperatures until January 17, and got no colder than -3 or -4 Celsius the whole month (and the whole winter so far for that matter!), so it's Zone 9b. And yet, this January was just about average temperature-wise, taking the TimeAndDate data.It's dumb to use third-party sources in lieu of NWS when the latter's easily accessible for historical data for the U.S.. |
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Post by insertusername on Feb 6, 2022 14:34:59 GMT -5
No disrespect intended, but I would much appreciate if you chose a different word to 'dumb'. Or maybe even a different phrase, perhaps 'it's advisable to use NWS instead'.
I was not overly familiar with NWS until recently and merely used TimeAndDate out of old habit, which as we all know dies hard. So hearing that what I'm doing is 'dumb' as opposed to a polite suggestion that something else is more advisable is not very appealing.
With that said, I took a look at NWS. It actually seems that even with weather as mild as that, the average was 0.6 Celsius BELOW! So an average winter would be even warmer, and therefore even more subtropical than the UK.
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 6, 2022 14:39:35 GMT -5
Not only that, but he's completely invented the existence of a station in downtown Tallahassee, complete with records and averages. Tallahassee's first freeze was November 23. We already have way too many people on this forum averse to using accurate data, we don't need any more.
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 6, 2022 14:43:25 GMT -5
No disrespect intended, but I would much appreciate if you chose a different word to 'dumb'. Or maybe even a different phrase, perhaps 'it's advisable to use NWS instead'. I was not overly familiar with NWS until recently and merely used TimeAndDate out of old habit, which as we all know dies hard. So hearing that what I'm doing is 'dumb' as opposed to a polite suggestion that something else is more advisable is not very appealing. With that said, I took a look at NWS. It actually seems that even with weather as mild as that, the average was 0.6 Celsius BELOW! So an average winter would be even warmer, and therefore even more subtropical than the UK. Neither do I intend to be disrespectful. I just bluntly believe it's better to use official sources for weather/climate data. And Tallahassee did drop to 19°F on Jan 30th: |
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Post by Steelernation on Feb 6, 2022 22:01:40 GMT -5
No offense and I appreciate having you on this forum but using non official data is dumb. Especially taking google forecasts as actual data. A few posters will be much less nice about it so I would suggest trying to use official data. Nowdata is very easy to access, you can just Google “Nowdata” and this is what will come up. Then click on the forecast office you’re interested in and it’ll take you to a page with a wide variety of data types and stations. |
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 11, 2022 14:39:25 GMT -5
Extremely provincial perceptions of climate
i.e. "You call that winter? That would be considered late spring where I'm from!"
Absolute rather than relative definitions of seasons, which include specific temps, snow cover, or anything else which varies with each climate
Any mention of "real winter" or "real summer"
I've noticed that the biggest offenders of these remarks are always people who have never lived in any climate other than a cold winter continental climate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2022 14:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 12, 2022 1:41:57 GMT -5
Extremely provincial perceptions of climate i.e. "You call that winter? That would be considered late spring where I'm from!" Absolute rather than relative definitions of seasons, which include specific temps, snow cover, or anything else which varies with each climate Any mention of "real winter" or "real summer" I've noticed that the biggest offenders of these remarks are always people who have never lived in any climate other than a cold winter continental climate. Indeed, especially when said objectively rather than subjectively |
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Post by Benfxmth on Mar 11, 2022 2:17:01 GMT -5
"Elevation increases diurnal range" and "elevated climates are more continental" also piss me off. It's the exact opposite FFS, and by a long shot. I know I'm quoting this a year later, but you'd have to be mentally to think only muh elevation increases diurnal ranges. It's geography that determines diurnal ranges as far as I'm concerned. Do the fuckwits who make those claims know a thing about temp inversions/radiational cooling? |
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Post by Donar on Mar 11, 2022 6:30:28 GMT -5
"Elevation increases diurnal range" and "elevated climates are more continental" also piss me off. It's the exact opposite FFS, and by a long shot. I know I'm quoting this a year later, but you'd have to be mentally to think only muh elevation increases diurnal ranges. It's geography that determines diurnal ranges as far as I'm concerned. Do the fuckwits who make those claims know a thing about temp inversions/radiational cooling? Though the exact opposite is equally false, i.e "elevation decreases diurnal range". Here is my thought, copy pasted from another thread:
Speaking of elevation (not altitude above surface), I would say the two most important variables for diurnal range are absolute humidity (near the ground and in the whole atmosphere above) and local topography (both valleys and mountain tops reducing the range, plains and certain depressions increasing). So elevation might help to increase diurnal range because the maximum possible precipitable water vapor and liquid water path is smaller. Besides some exceptions like California, the highest diurnal ranges seem to be found in high elevated dry plains (Western US, Tibet, Andes).
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 28, 2022 2:56:19 GMT -5
"Australia is the driest inhabited continent in the world"
Never was a fan of this statement. Okay, now there is some truth to it - Australia is the largest landmass in the world that is mostly on the dry side. But only a small part of the country is actually arid (rainfall less than 150mm). There are no hyper-arid areas at all in the continent (i.e. places where average annual rainfall is below 50mm), unlike in other continents (i.e. the Atacama in South America or the Sahara in Africa). Most of the landmass is semi-arid actually, and rainfall can be expected as most of the country is prone to torrential rainfall ("land of drought and flood rains" anyone?).
I don't know, but that phrase just gives off the wrong impression and it never sat right with me. It makes it seem like most of Australia is hyper-arid or Sahara-like, when the driest station in Australia still records 150mm of annual, akin to an average desert climate like that of Baghdad. And Baghdad is still "wet" compared to extremely dry places in the Sahara, Atacama and the Death Valley, among other places!
Anyway, just my 2 cents...
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 28, 2022 12:02:51 GMT -5
"Australia is the driest inhabited continent in the world" Never was a fan of this statement. Okay, now there is some truth to it - Australia is the largest landmass in the world that is mostly on the dry side. But only a small part of the country is actually arid (rainfall less than 150mm). There are no hyper-arid areas at all in the continent (i.e. places where average annual rainfall is below 50mm), unlike in other continents (i.e. the Atacama in South America or the Sahara in Africa). Most of the landmass is semi-arid actually, and rainfall can be expected as most of the country is prone to torrential rainfall ("land of drought and flood rains" anyone?). I don't know, but that phrase just gives off the wrong impression and it never sat right with me. It makes it seem like most of Australia is hyper-arid or Sahara-like, when the driest station in Australia still records 150mm of annual, akin to an average desert climate like that of Baghdad. And Baghdad is still "wet" compared to extremely dry places in the Sahara, Atacama and the Death Valley, among other places! Anyway, just my 2 cents... I think that’s an accurate statement. Most of Australia is semi arid or arid except for a small strip along the east coast, the southeast, and the far north. All other continents have a much larger portion of humid climates. I bet if you averaged rainfall over the whole continent, Australia would be the driest. Saying it’s not because of no extremely dry climates reminds me of people saying a climate with much cooler averages is hotter than another climate because the record high is higher. |
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 28, 2022 19:38:54 GMT -5
"Australia is the driest inhabited continent in the world" Never was a fan of this statement. Okay, now there is some truth to it - Australia is the largest landmass in the world that is mostly on the dry side. But only a small part of the country is actually arid (rainfall less than 150mm). There are no hyper-arid areas at all in the continent (i.e. places where average annual rainfall is below 50mm), unlike in other continents (i.e. the Atacama in South America or the Sahara in Africa). Most of the landmass is semi-arid actually, and rainfall can be expected as most of the country is prone to torrential rainfall ("land of drought and flood rains" anyone?). I don't know, but that phrase just gives off the wrong impression and it never sat right with me. It makes it seem like most of Australia is hyper-arid or Sahara-like, when the driest station in Australia still records 150mm of annual, akin to an average desert climate like that of Baghdad. And Baghdad is still "wet" compared to extremely dry places in the Sahara, Atacama and the Death Valley, among other places! Anyway, just my 2 cents... I think that’s an accurate statement. Most of Australia is semi arid or arid except for a small strip along the east coast, the southeast, and the far north. All other continents have a much larger portion of humid climates. I bet if you averaged rainfall over the whole continent, Australia would be the driest. Saying it’s not because of no extremely dry climates reminds me of people saying a climate with much cooler averages is hotter than another climate because the record high is higher. Australia, as a whole, has an average rainfall of 419 mm (16 in). I don't really disagree with your post. I guess the definition of a desert is arbitrary. I still think that Australia is more semi-arid with only some parts being truly arid. In the climate maps of Australia, a lot of regions that have an annual rainfall of 250mm are categorized under "arid", when that rainfall amount essentially transitions into the "semi-arid" category (at least in other countries they would, under Koppen's scheme). Yes, the evaporation rate plays a role, but should it really define a climate? Even the landscape in those "arid" Australian climate zones look more semi-arid and have greenery.    |
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