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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 16, 2022 8:40:36 GMT -5
People who act like microclimates are rare, and limited to places like SoCal and a few other places. In reality, microclimates with differing temperatures/diurnal ranges, precip totals are just about everywhere, such as near bodies of water like lakes and rivers, valleys/frost hollows, mountains/hills/slopes, etc.
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Post by massiveshibe on Dec 16, 2022 16:37:29 GMT -5
1- Curitiba is a barren tundra where it’s always raining and the sun is always behind clouds there
Reality: Curitiba has a subtropical highland climate with dry sunny winters. Curitiba also gets more sun than Manaus but no one cares because Manaus is an irrelevant town full of jungle savages that nobody cares about. The winters in Curitiba are also as cold as the ones from New Orleans.
2- Northeast Brazil is a barren desert
Reality: Most of the Northeast gets even more rain than Curitiba, some parts of the inland Northeast are semi arid with deciduous vegetation.
3- Cloudy days in the tropics aren’t as depressing as in polar regions
Reality: The clouds in the tropics are darker, making cloudy days darker and more depressing
4- The closer to the equator, the sunnier and better the weather.
Reality: Equatorial regions get as much cloudy weather as windward oceanic crapholes like the Faroe Islands
5- The closer to the equator, the hotter
Reality: The rainfall and thick vegetation in the equatorial regions prevents the temperatures from rising above 100F.
6- Hot cloudy days are better than hot sunny days because the clouds block the sun
Reality: Hot cloudy days are usually humid and oppressive. If the sun is bothering you, just seek shade.
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Post by AJ1013 on Dec 16, 2022 16:49:10 GMT -5
Whatever you say MassiveHives
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Post by Ariete on Dec 16, 2022 17:05:14 GMT -5
Whatever you say MassiveHives
Massiveshite
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 16, 2022 22:20:20 GMT -5
6- Hot cloudy days are better than hot sunny days because the clouds block the sun Reality: Hot cloudy days are usually humid and oppressive. If the sun is bothering you, just seek shade.This. Cannot agree more. Summer humidity can fuck off. |
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Post by MET on Dec 16, 2022 23:10:09 GMT -5
People who act like microclimates are rare, and limited to places like SoCal and a few other places. In reality, microclimates with differing temperatures/diurnal ranges, precip totals are just about everywhere, such as near bodies of water like lakes and rivers, valleys/frost hollows, mountains/hills/slopes, etc. You forgot Uk_Palm's back garden. |
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 17, 2022 5:32:23 GMT -5
People who act like microclimates are rare, and limited to places like SoCal and a few other places. In reality, microclimates with differing temperatures/diurnal ranges, precip totals are just about everywhere, such as near bodies of water like lakes and rivers, valleys/frost hollows, mountains/hills/slopes, etc. You forgot Uk_Palm's back garden. Also the #1 famous frost hollow: Key Biscayne.  |
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Post by tommyFL on Dec 17, 2022 23:55:45 GMT -5
"Cold hole" or "frost hollow" in reference to stations with no unique topographic features. No, that's just the natural unaltered climate. Typically used to discredit temps recorded in the absence of UHI.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 23, 2022 0:52:41 GMT -5
"Cold hole" or "frost hollow" in reference to stations with no unique topographic features. No, that's just the natural unaltered climate. Typically used to discredit temps recorded in the absence of UHI. That reminds me of the equally dumb opposite case, where people claim that a station is warmer than its surroundings because it is "boteved", when in reality, it's just located in a naturally warm and unaltered microclimate due to its geographic situation. To note, I'm specifically talking about cases where UHI is absent from all the stations in question.
It's also dumb when people discredit legitimate weather data due to UHI though. People claim that UHI makes the data all invalid and fake. In reality, UHI-influenced stations use real data, but UHI is indeed increasing the temperatures. These UHI stations are still very representative of their respective urban areas. Sure, there's UHI, but weather stations should (and do) reflect that UHI has real impacts. Data for UHI areas should therefore not be discredited, for they do accurately represent the climates of urban areas.
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Post by Cheeseman on Dec 23, 2022 9:07:21 GMT -5
Strewth desiccatedi85, the official weather station for a large city SHOULD be in the UHI, to accurately represent the climate of the CITY (as experienced by city residents) as opposed to the surrounding rural area. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Dec 23, 2022 9:14:47 GMT -5
Strewth desiccatedi85 , the official weather station for a large city SHOULD be in the UHI, to accurately represent the climate of the CITY (as experienced by city residents) as opposed to the surrounding rural area. Denver airport is an egregious violation of this principle. It’s located in city limits but very far from everything with nothing around it out on the plains, hardly representative of Denver’s urban core. |
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Post by tommyFL on Dec 23, 2022 11:32:04 GMT -5
No. The purpose of long-term stations is to monitor climate. Not possible if the environment around the station is not consistent. Mesonets can take care of scientifically uninteresting areas like city centers, but locations of climate stations need to be stable.
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Post by greysrigging on Dec 23, 2022 14:50:19 GMT -5
Melbourne Vic, the BoM closed the Melbourne Regional Office site after 150 years of recording citing increased urbanisation had skewed the date recorded in recent decades. The equipment was moved to parkland a short distance away at Olympic Park, and was newly commission in 2015
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 23, 2022 16:06:22 GMT -5
No. The purpose of long-term stations is to monitor climate. Not possible if the environment around the station is not consistent. Mesonets can take care of scientifically uninteresting areas like city centers, but locations of climate stations need to be stable. Who says there can’t be both? Most people want to know what the weather is like where they live not how it compares to the 1800s. For example if I lived in Denver, the DIA station is totally irrelevant—nearly 20 miles away in a rural area and farther from the mountains. Imo I want a weather station to reflect the weather where I am not what it naturally was 50 years ago or whatever. |
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Post by tommyFL on Dec 23, 2022 18:40:07 GMT -5
No. The purpose of long-term stations is to monitor climate. Not possible if the environment around the station is not consistent. Mesonets can take care of scientifically uninteresting areas like city centers, but locations of climate stations need to be stable. Who says there can’t be both? Most people want to know what the weather is like where they live not how it compares to the 1800s. For example if I lived in Denver, the DIA station is totally irrelevant—nearly 20 miles away in a rural area and farther from the mountains. Imo I want a weather station to reflect the weather where I am not what it naturally was 50 years ago or whatever. Ideally there would be both, but if it has to be only one, it certainly shouldn't be downtown. As for the airport's location far away from the mountains, that I can agree with you is unrepresentative of the city's natural climate. Ideally it would be sited on natural land not too far away from the center, but not sure such a thing exists. |
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 23, 2022 19:49:08 GMT -5
Ideally there would be both, but if it has to be only one, it certainly shouldn't be downtown. As for the airport's location far away from the mountains, that I can agree with you is unrepresentative of the city's natural climate. Ideally it would be sited on natural land not too far away from the center, but not sure such a thing exists. The problem with no downtown weather station is then people start using rooftop stations and unreliable PWSs because there’s no accurate station for where they live. Imo a weather station should represent the place it is, ie. the weather station for a city should represent the climate of that city, not an outlying rural area. There’s plenty of rural areas that can have long running weather data for scientific data. |
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Post by greysrigging on Dec 24, 2022 4:04:42 GMT -5
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 24, 2022 4:50:15 GMT -5
"-273.15C Antarctica: Everyone dead Rest of the universe: All particles are motionless Rio Grande do Sul: “It’s starting to get chilly”" Lmfao this reminds me of this quote (which I've seen somewhere in Shitty-Data): cdweather.boards.net/post/61285/thread |
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Post by alex992 on Dec 24, 2022 11:46:22 GMT -5
People from northern states who act like once in a lifetime temperatures are common. "Here in Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin, etc it's -55 F all winter" when in reality that temp has never occurred where they live and even wind chills that cold happen like once every 25 years. Whiny morons who feel the need to blow things out of proportion to vindicate their bitching and moaning.
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 24, 2022 11:47:22 GMT -5
People from northern states who act like once in a lifetime temperatures are common. "Here in Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin, etc it's -55 F all winter" when in reality that temp has never occurred where they live and even wind chills that cold happen like once every 25 years. Whiny morons who feel the need to blow things out of proportion to vindicate their bitching and moaning. Yes, as well as for those in hot places who claim, e.g. "Phoenix is 110°F 8 months out of the year" |
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