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Post by Babu on Oct 19, 2017 13:45:35 GMT -5
Scandinavia gets a lot of mention for their climates being good for their latitudes. Don't get me wrong, they do. However, the eastern side of the Baltics often gets overlooked. Sure, Sweden is warmer annually, but so is Bergen. That doesn't make Bergen the best. So I thought I'd pitch the two sides of the Baltics against eachother, and see if Sweden really deserves to get all the credit at this latitude.. Our two contendors, Pärnu and Västervik, both lie on the coast of the Baltic sea and at around 58'N but on opposite sides of the sea, although to be fair lies half a degree further south. Pärnu:  Västervik:  Let's assume the sunshine is the same as Sweden lacks subshine recorders along its coast. Pärnu had 1911h of sunshine for the 2002-2016 period so let's go with that. The highs from May-September are basically the same, with Västervik having a slightly larger seasonal lag. Pärnu does have warmer lows in summer though. However, the biggest difference comes down to winter, where Pärnu is a fair bi t colder giving it more of a so called "true winter" with a fair bit of snow pack, whereas Västervik is a lot milder and gets winters which some people would describe as being an extension of fall. Estonia can only dream of having mild winters in combination with warm and sunny summers, whereas Sweden can only dream of that cold winters with sunny and warm summers. But which do you prefer? Personally I definitely think that every degree matters, even at freezing temperatures. I'd much rather have the milder Västervik than Pärnu, and wouldn't mind being snow free. The growth period is also longer on both sides of the summer, even though I prefer May being warmer than September in Pärnu. |
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Post by boombo on Oct 19, 2017 13:48:45 GMT -5
Västervik, winter lasts too long in Pärnu.
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Post by Lommaren on Oct 19, 2017 13:52:19 GMT -5
Västervik for warmer shoulder seasons. Tärnu has manageable winters with more snow, while Västervik will be mostly slush, having said that having it 1-2C has some advantages too.
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 19, 2017 14:08:03 GMT -5
As for Pärnu, from what period are these averages?
(Extremes- yeah, such ones can be found at infoclimat- but speaking seriuosly no, there has never been -40.5 c in Pärnu, +84c either.)
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Post by Ariete on Oct 19, 2017 14:16:11 GMT -5
The growing season is maybe 2-3 days longer in Västervik. Semantics.
I'll go with Pärnu. Would love to experience 84C.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:02:49 GMT -5
the summers are lame both in sweden and in estonia, and the same goes for sunshine. shoulder seasons aren't that different. the only noticeable difference is in winter.
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Post by Babu on Oct 19, 2017 15:07:05 GMT -5
The growing season is maybe 2-3 days longer in Västervik. Semantics. I'll go with Pärnu. Would love to experience 84C. I'd wager the growing season would be a week extra on either side. And lol, yeah, infoclimat does have weird records |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 19, 2017 15:12:26 GMT -5
I'd wager the growing season would be a week extra on either side. And lol, yeah, infoclimat does have weird records Not in autumn at least. Both lack sufficient warmth, sunshine and daylight. I would say 3 days in spring, around the same as the difference between Stockholm and Helsinki. |
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Post by Babu on Oct 19, 2017 15:21:33 GMT -5
I'd wager the growing season would be a week extra on either side. And lol, yeah, infoclimat does have weird records Not in autumn at least. Both lack sufficient warmth, sunshine and daylight. I would say 3 days in spring, around the same as the difference between Stockholm and Helsinki. Is there really only a 3 day difference between Helsinki and Stockholm? I really doubt it. Btw, watching vlogs from Stockholm, it seems like a vast majority of trees in the city are completely green still. Seems to look like early September did here... |
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Post by Ariete on Oct 19, 2017 15:31:35 GMT -5
Is there really only a 3 day difference between Helsinki and Stockholm? I really doubt it. Btw, watching vlogs from Stockholm, it seems like a vast majority of trees in the city are completely green still. Seems to look like early September did here... According to FMI and SMHI statistics the difference is a few days. 3, 4 something like that. Doesn't look green to me this afternoon: webbkameror.se/byggkameror/locum/locum_6_1280.php |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 15:35:02 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Oct 19, 2017 15:52:14 GMT -5
Finland:  Ilomantsi Pötsönvaara has a couple of days shorter growing period than Tornio. |
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Post by Mörön on Oct 19, 2017 22:17:24 GMT -5
Pärnu for colder winters and slightly warmer summer lows. I seriously doubt it got to 39.7C in September though...not to mention that 84C reading...lol.
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Post by Steelernation on Oct 19, 2017 22:19:39 GMT -5
Vastervik for being warmer. What are the precipitation levels like for Parnu?
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Post by Babu on Oct 20, 2017 1:55:52 GMT -5
Vastervik for being warmer. What are the precipitation levels like for Parnu? 746mm. Västervik's data is from 1961-1990 though and since then precipitation has increased by perhaps 10-20%. So Pärnu is perhaps 150mm wetter |
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 20, 2017 16:04:26 GMT -5
...Summers are lame yes but however, they are still less lame in Pärnu and summer matters more than winter.  Especially if we are talking about such a miserable latitudes like we are talking about. Every gram matters, lol. Secondly, May is warmer. Thirdly - winter is winter anyway. And as for or those who live in different climates might not to know but actually there is no real difference between -4.2c and -1.3c - they both feel wintry. We have had here tons of winter months with -1c averages, all these feel wintry and wintry. Additional 1c average wise in summer is a way bigger bonus than additional +1c in winter. As I told- those who don't live in such climates may not know or cognize it! What could I do in Västervik's "milder" winter, could I comfortably barbecue outside in January there in Västervik or what is the exact bonus of it's "being warmer"? I would appreciate Västervik more if it would be same as eg Dublin or London in winter but it isn't. |
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 20, 2017 16:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by Babu on Oct 20, 2017 16:21:11 GMT -5
As for Pärnu, from what period are these averages? (Extremes- yeah, such ones can be found at infoclimat- but speaking seriuosly no, there has never been -40.5 c in Pärnu, +84c either.) Both were 2002-2015 |
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Post by aabc123 on Oct 20, 2017 16:34:40 GMT -5
lol, after my last post today I noticed someone had more intensively voted for Swedish place. I bet if I would make a battle here between that Pärnu and between a Russian /Siberian place on the same latitude, let's say Perm or Kirov ot et cetera you would vote for those Russian places, now on grounds that " because summer is warmer there" - and unexpectantly summer would now matter more than winter   |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2017 16:39:17 GMT -5
...Summers are lame yes but however, they are still less lame in Pärnu and summer matters more than winter. Especially if we are talking about such a miserable latitudes like we are talking about. Every gram matters, lol. Secondly, May is warmer. Thirdly - winter is winter anyway. And as for or those who live in different climates might not to know but actually there is no real difference between -4.2c and -1.3c - they both feel wintry. We have had here tons of winter months with -1c averages, all these feel wintry and wintry. Additional 1c average wise in summer is a way bigger bonus than additional +1c in winter. As I told- those who don't live in such climates may not know or cognize it! What could I do in Västervik's "milder" winter, could I comfortably barbecue outside in January there in Västervik or what is the exact bonus of it's "being warmer"? I would appreciate Västervik more if it would be same as eg Dublin or London in winter but it isn't. come on. -1C vs -4C is quite the difference. imagine a situation when pärnu has 0C and snow and västervik 3C and rain. that happens often. |
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Especially if we are talking about such a miserable latitudes like we are talking about. Every gram matters, lol. Secondly, May is warmer. Thirdly - winter is winter anyway. And as for or those who live in different climates might not to know but actually there is no real difference between -4.2c and -1.3c - they both feel wintry. We have had here tons of winter months with -1c averages, all these feel wintry and wintry. Additional 1c average wise in summer is a way bigger bonus than additional +1c in winter. As I told- those who don't live in such climates may not know or cognize it! What could I do in Västervik's "milder" winter, could I comfortably barbecue outside in January there in Västervik or what is the exact bonus of it's "being warmer"? I would appreciate Västervik more if it would be same as eg Dublin or London in winter but it isn't. 
