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Post by Ethereal on Mar 17, 2022 7:38:06 GMT -5
Wikipedia tends to describe the city's length of seasons ("short winters", "long summers", "brief springs", etc). This is a city that I would describe as having "long summers" (or at least it's the cut-off):
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Post by chesternz on Mar 17, 2022 10:46:39 GMT -5
I arbitrarily define summer as the months with 24 hr means over 20 C. I would say a climate with 5+ such months has a "long summer". Fewer than three months is a short summer. So, Jacksonville, Brisbane, etc. have long summers. Toronto and Canberra have short summers. Again, this is entirely arbitrary. A lot of people would set the summer threshold higher, maybe 22 C or even 25 C.
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Post by Speagles84 on Mar 17, 2022 10:58:39 GMT -5
Wikipedia articles that say that are opinion based. Everyones definition will be slightly different. In my opinion, a summer month must have the following criteria: 1) Monthly average high of 75F (21C) or greater 2) Monthly mean of 64F (18C) or greater 3) Monthly average low of 45F (7.5C) or greater
4) 12 hours or more of daylight
Obviously my opinion could have variation, but roughly this is what I'd define it as. So in theory no climate could have more than 6 months of summer.
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Post by Donar on Mar 17, 2022 11:27:42 GMT -5
Wikipedia articles that say that are opinion based. Everyones definition will be slightly different. In my opinion, a summer month must have the following criteria: 1) Monthly average high of 75F (21C) or greater 2) Monthly mean of 64F (18C) or greater 3) Monthly average low of 45F (7.5C) or greater
4) 12 hours or more of daylight
Obviously my opinion could have variation, but roughly this is what I'd define it as. So in theory no climate could have more than 6 months of summer.
I agree with the daylight criterion. Despite the heat there, the Philippines didn't really have a summery feeling with sunsets at 5:30 PM and less than 12 hours day length.
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Post by Donar on Mar 17, 2022 11:29:11 GMT -5
Wikipedia tends to describe the city's length of seasons ("short winters", "long summers", "brief springs", etc). This is a city that I would describe as having "long summers" (or at least it's the cut-off): Brief winter: This is the same climate box twice.
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 17, 2022 11:44:35 GMT -5
I define summer/winter length as the amount of time temps are close to the warmest/coolest plateaus.
So somewhere like Great Falls that has a cool June then spikes in July and August has a brief summer.
Miami has 4 months with highs within 2 f of the hottest average high so it has a long summer.
For winter, Boise has a short winter as February is significantly warmer than December and January.
Shitchester doesn’t warm up much in March and it’s still cold and snowy so it has a long winter.
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Post by Donar on Mar 17, 2022 11:54:07 GMT -5
When looking at relative differences only, Ulan Ude would be an example of "brief" winters and brief summers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulan-Ude#ClimateFebruary/August are considerably warmer/colder than January/July.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Mar 17, 2022 14:49:23 GMT -5
My arbitrary definition of a summer month is having daily means above 65F (18C), and day length really does not matter. To me, tropical climates are defined by the presence of a perpetual summer. The traditional 4 seasons shouldn't apply to tropical climates however, for tropical climates are much more defined by rainfall amounts and patterns than by temperatures. Thus, your typical SE US subtropical climate, such as Houston or Charleston, would be a textbook example for long summers.
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Post by greysrigging on Mar 17, 2022 17:28:35 GMT -5
Wikipedia articles that say that are opinion based. Everyones definition will be slightly different. In my opinion, a summer month must have the following criteria: 1) Monthly average high of 75F (21C) or greater 2) Monthly mean of 64F (18C) or greater 3) Monthly average low of 45F (7.5C) or greater
4) 12 hours or more of daylight
Obviously my opinion could have variation, but roughly this is what I'd define it as. So in theory no climate could have more than 6 months of summer.
I agree with the daylight criterion. Despite the heat there, the Philippines didn't really have a summery feeling with sunsets at 5:30 PM and less than 12 hours day length. 75f = 23.88c, so call it 24c.
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Post by melonside421 on Mar 17, 2022 18:05:01 GMT -5
Not exactly related, but Myrtle Beach is a full-on 4 season climate. Winter just so happens to be the ugliest, especially when boomers harp on about warm season grasses which can take the full sun caused by the extremely open areas cause boomers hate trees that much. Fescues work well with part-shade and can do in the Deep South, plenty of examples, especially in the Piedmont like Atlanta and Greenville, South Carolina.
"Long summers" would be like 72°F average high for April onwards to October, and that probably means October would be 75°F+ for its highs, but if the lows are below 53°F, then it's not as long. It's a very subjective matter that really counts on how it actually benefits you, and for some people, they have no choice. People get born in climates they don't like, which is the primary reason why they think their summers are "too long"
Cities that I would say have "long summers" are like zone 9 cities like Houston, Jacksonville, Orlando, and Savannah, GA. Zone 8 cities typically have some setback of not totally being summery for most of the year, which is why I pick zone 9 as the starter zone for that. However, that cannot apply to the west coast, mainly due to the fact that places like Seattle and Portland, OR have 4 seasons, but also, places like Eureka CA really just have 2. That is to say that Eureka, CA has more springy temps for its summers, but every place on earth except equatorial climates have summers pretty much.
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 17, 2022 23:04:35 GMT -5
Wikipedia tends to describe the city's length of seasons ("short winters", "long summers", "brief springs", etc). This is a city that I would describe as having "long summers" (or at least it's the cut-off): Brief winter: This is the same climate box twice. Yep, whoops. I meant to put Brisbane's winters. But on a second thought, Brisbane doesn't really have a true winter. Their winters are like springs by world's standards. I'm guessing New Delhi will be a better contender here for having "short winters".
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Post by greysrigging on Mar 17, 2022 23:11:12 GMT -5
This is the same climate box twice. Yep, whoops. I meant Brisbane's. But on a second thought, Brisbane doesn't really have a true winter. I worked in Brisbane between May 1997 and Feb 1998. I thought the winters were plenty cold enough...lol. The boss had put us up in flat in Newfarm ( almost in the City ) without any heating and the nights commonly dropped below 10c during winter. The kitchen had a fan forced oven, so that became the kitchen/living room heater....haha.
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 17, 2022 23:15:24 GMT -5
Yep, whoops. I meant to put Brisbane's winters. But on a second thought, Brisbane doesn't really have a true winter. Their winters are like springs by world's standards. I'm guessing New Delhi will be a better contender here for having "short winters". No Brisbane has winters, they’re just warm. Highs are 8.5 c cooler than in January, that’s a sizable difference. You certainly wouldn’t say it’s spring or fall in July as it’s the coolest time of year and has the shortest days, it’s clearly winter.
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 17, 2022 23:18:15 GMT -5
Yep, whoops. I meant Brisbane's. But on a second thought, Brisbane doesn't really have a true winter. I worked in Brisbane between May 1997 and Feb 1998. I thought the winters were plenty cold enough...lol. The boss had put us up in flat in Newfarm ( almost in the City ) without any heating and the nights commonly dropped below 10c during winter. The kitchen had a fan forced oven, so that became the kitchen/living room heater....haha. Yep, that seems cool enough for me. Temperature averages make it seem like a place is warmer than it is when it isn't. Sydney's winters look pretty mild on paper (climate statistics), but they can be pretty cold, especially in the morning and night. I would assume that, like Sydney, inland Brisbane (by the hills) is much colder at night, no?
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 17, 2022 23:23:01 GMT -5
Yep, whoops. I meant to put Brisbane's winters. But on a second thought, Brisbane doesn't really have a true winter. Their winters are like springs by world's standards. I'm guessing New Delhi will be a better contender here for having "short winters". No Brisbane has winters, they’re just warm. Highs are 8.5 c cooler than in January, that’s a sizable difference. You certainly wouldn’t say it’s spring or fall in July as it’s the coolest time of year and has the shortest days, it’s clearly winter. Nah man, I get it, I'm on the "Brisbane has winters" boat. I cannot fathom people that think only cities like NYC and Chicago have winters, and places like Sydney and Los Angeles lack real winters - Met a lot of those on City Data and I confronted them a lot.
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Post by psychedamike24 on Mar 18, 2022 20:43:15 GMT -5
Cities that have noticeably longer "warm seasons" than "cold seasons" on WeatherSpark. Mediterranean climates (at least in the US) tend to have longer "winters" and shorter "summers".
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Post by greysrigging on Mar 18, 2022 21:31:04 GMT -5
No Brisbane has winters, they’re just warm. Highs are 8.5 c cooler than in January, that’s a sizable difference. You certainly wouldn’t say it’s spring or fall in July as it’s the coolest time of year and has the shortest days, it’s clearly winter. Nah man, I get it, I'm on the "Brisbane has winters" boat. I cannot fathom people that think only cities like NYC and Chicago have winters, and places like Sydney and Los Angeles lack real winters - Met a lot of those on City Data and I confronted them a lot. Only gotta head out to Ipswich, Amberley, Redbank Plains west of Brisbane to see winter frosts. And Gatton, about 90klm west see mins as low as -4.9c ( 23f )
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Post by alex992 on Mar 25, 2022 9:12:15 GMT -5
My arbitrary definition is having average highs of 80 F (26.7 C) or above for more than three months, or means above 70 F (21.1 C) for three months or more. Somewhere like Omaha, Nebraska would be the northern limit of this.
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Post by Ethereal on Mar 28, 2022 2:28:55 GMT -5
My arbitrary definition is having average highs of 80 F (26.7 C) or above for more than three months, or means above 70 F (21.1 C) for three months or more. Somewhere like Omaha, Nebraska would be the northern limit of this. So Sydney (the west) fits your bill.
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Post by greysrigging on Mar 28, 2022 2:54:22 GMT -5
So no where in Tasmania has a summer ? ( well they don't when I'm there....8c and pissing rain at Cradle Mountain on 30th Dec 2014 was not 'summery' haha Mind you Hobart had a 38c day in Jan 1997 when I was doing a job there...and 32c the day before. I got sun burnt to buggery....next day was 18c.
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