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Post by paddy234 on Jul 20, 2022 21:38:48 GMT -5
Do people honestly think that nations like China, India who are the two biggest contributors and developing nations who rely on cheap and reliable fossil fuels lifting them out of poverty are going to just stop their economic growth because some Europeans are finding it a bit hot summer? They will tell us to toughen up and buy some air-conditioners and adapt. No, they're digging their own graves. I'm sure you realize that the economic growth experienced by China, India and developing nations due to cheap fossil fuels which has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty far outweighs the risk due to climate change so far from digging their own graves, cheap and reliant fossil fuels allowed them to climb out of the grave. These countries know this. This is why the doom and gloom media representing people living in complete privilege have no comprehension about the rest of the world. They don't realize no sensible nation is going to implement policy that will hurt economic growth because while many in the far left see economic growth as the problem to climate change tomorrow these nations are using economic growth to lift them out of poverty today The best way out of using fossil fuels isn't solar panels and wind turbines, it's more efficient and renewable fuel sources. Nuclear power is most likely |
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 20, 2022 22:49:36 GMT -5
I have no doubts that global warming is real, and at least to some extent, is anthropogenic, but like Steelernation mentioned earlier, I can say that the overdramatic alarmists who claim, "climate emergency, we must take drastic action within 10 years or this will be the end of the world!!1111!!!!" are just as bad as those who explicitly deny GW. It backfires, and is partly the reason why there are so many GW deniers these days. This this this & this!!! I haven't this'ed a post so passionately in a long time! 👊👊👊 |
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 20, 2022 22:55:27 GMT -5
Yep I agree 100% its seriously frustrating as we all know here you can't base climate change on one WEATHER event Sorry mate, but this isn't a one-off. Britain's climate is changing.  Is it fair to say that there are more climate stations in the UK now (and as well as the world) hence why we would see more records broken here and there? |
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 20, 2022 23:04:55 GMT -5
Now the UK has had the warmest temperatures ever recorded for a few hours watch how the media use this to say we need to act now and make the ultimate sacrifice. No mention about how it has also reported the coldest winters in history in recent decades proving that the extremes goes both ways. That would smash their narrative Exactly what the Aussie media is doing with the recent floods here. Like as if the climate just changed and floods are the new norm now. But little did they know that eastern Australia had some severe floods in the 1860s (yes, 19th century), 1970s and late 1980s/early 1990s (all during La Nina events). But nah, these flood events are all new to them because, well, climate change. As what other posters said, this is the reason why some people are moving to the other end of the spectrum, denying GW/CC in general. 🤦♂️ Funny, in 2019-20 with all the bushfires, they were saying Australia will completely dry up and how parched fiery summers will be the norm from 2020 and onwards. But nope, 2021 completely flipped with all the wet and rainy weather. These people must look so stupid now. I don't know. Are they just blatantly lying, are they ignorant or they love using scare tactics? I was also brainwashed and thought shit, 2022 will be a year where 50C will be recorded in Sydney CBD, when 2021-22 summer was one of the coolest in over a decade. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_storm_events_in_Sydney |
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Post by greysrigging on Jul 20, 2022 23:06:26 GMT -5
Sorry mate, but this isn't a one-off. Britain's climate is changing. Is it fair to say that there are more climate stations in the UK now (and as well as the world) hence why we would see more records broken here and there? Superficially I guess one could infer that ^^, but generally extreme heat events are 'spatially coherent' and I'd say it will be the frequency of such things being repeated rather than placing more AWS to capture them will show up in record books. |
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Post by fairweatherfan on Jul 20, 2022 23:14:43 GMT -5
Now the UK has had the warmest temperatures ever recorded for a few hours watch how the media use this to say we need to act now and make the ultimate sacrifice. No mention about how it has also reported the coldest winters in history in recent decades proving that the extremes goes both ways. That would smash their narrative Exactly what the Aussie media is doing with the recent floods here. Like as if the climate just changed and floods are the new norm now. But little did they know that eastern Australia had some severe floods in the 1860s (yes, 19th century), 1970s and late 1980s/early 1990s (all during La Nina events). But nah, these flood events are all new to them because, well, climate change. As what other posters said, this is the reason why some people are moving to the other end of the spectrum, denying GW/CC in general. 🤦♂️ Funny, in 2019-20 with all the bushfires, they were saying Australia will completely dry up and how parched fiery summers will be the norm from 2020 and onwards. But nope, 2021 completely flipped with all the wet and rainy weather. These people must look so stupid now. I don't know. Are they just blatantly lying, are they ignorant or they love using scare tactics? I was also brainwashed and thought shit, 2022 will be a year where 50C will be recorded in Sydney CBD, when 2021-22 summer was one of the coolest in over a decade. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_storm_events_in_SydneyThe world's bigger than Australia. |
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Post by Metsfan257 on Jul 21, 2022 1:17:46 GMT -5
No, they're digging their own graves. I'm sure you realize that the economic growth experienced by China, India and developing nations due to cheap fossil fuels which has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty far outweighs the risk due to climate change so far from digging their own graves, cheap and reliant fossil fuels allowed them to climb out of the grave. These countries know this. This is why the doom and gloom media representing people living in complete privilege have no comprehension about the rest of the world. They don't realize no sensible nation is going to implement policy that will hurt economic growth because while many in the far left see economic growth as the problem to climate change tomorrow these nations are using economic growth to lift them out of poverty today The best way out of using fossil fuels isn't solar panels and wind turbines, it's more efficient and renewable fuel sources. Nuclear power is most likely Couldn't agree more. Economic growth and improving standards of living for people all around the globe is far more important than mitigating our emissions. Global warming is occurring and is inevitable that it accelerates, but that is fine, humans do and always will innovate and adapt. Some places will benefit from a warming climate, it's not 100% doom and gloom. |
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 21, 2022 2:16:57 GMT -5
Exactly what the Aussie media is doing with the recent floods here. Like as if the climate just changed and floods are the new norm now. But little did they know that eastern Australia had some severe floods in the 1860s (yes, 19th century), 1970s and late 1980s/early 1990s (all during La Nina events). But nah, these flood events are all new to them because, well, climate change. As what other posters said, this is the reason why some people are moving to the other end of the spectrum, denying GW/CC in general. 🤦♂️ Funny, in 2019-20 with all the bushfires, they were saying Australia will completely dry up and how parched fiery summers will be the norm from 2020 and onwards. But nope, 2021 completely flipped with all the wet and rainy weather. These people must look so stupid now. I don't know. Are they just blatantly lying, are they ignorant or they love using scare tactics? I was also brainwashed and thought shit, 2022 will be a year where 50C will be recorded in Sydney CBD, when 2021-22 summer was one of the coolest in over a decade. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_storm_events_in_SydneyThe world's bigger than Australia. ^Is this a troll account? @jgtheone? Who is talking about the world you dingbat? I'm just saying that our media does that too. I happen to live here, not the world. So I'll report the shit that's happening here. What's that got to do with Australia being the "world"? Try again. |
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Post by P London on Jul 21, 2022 6:06:14 GMT -5
Yep I agree 100% its seriously frustrating as we all know here you can't base climate change on one WEATHER event Sorry mate, but this isn't a one-off. Britain's climate is changing. I know this but what I'm saying is the hysteria around ONE event. |
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Post by P London on Jul 21, 2022 6:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by Strewthless on Jul 21, 2022 7:19:15 GMT -5
No, they're digging their own graves. I'm sure you realize that the economic growth experienced by China, India and developing nations due to cheap fossil fuels which has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty far outweighs the risk due to climate change so far from digging their own graves, cheap and reliant fossil fuels allowed them to climb out of the grave. These countries know this. This is why the doom and gloom media representing people living in complete privilege have no comprehension about the rest of the world. They don't realize no sensible nation is going to implement policy that will hurt economic growth because while many in the far left see economic growth as the problem to climate change tomorrow these nations are using economic growth to lift them out of poverty today The best way out of using fossil fuels isn't solar panels and wind turbines, it's more efficient and renewable fuel sources. Nuclear power is most likely It's those developing parts of the world that are often predicted to suffer the worst from climate change. Their economic development will hit a brick wall if even some of the more modest predictions come to fruition. Severe flooding in some parts of the world, droughts and water shortages elsewhere. I totally get your point. Who are we to tell those countries that they're not allowed to do what we did? Using fossil fuels to power an industrial revolution and improve living standards for everyone. That's why I think we're destined to fail. |
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Post by fairweatherfan on Jul 21, 2022 10:05:45 GMT -5
The world's bigger than Australia. ^Is this a troll account? @jgtheone? Who is talking about the world you dingbat? I'm just saying that our media does that too. I happen to live here, not the world. So I'll report the shit that's happening here. What's that got to do with Australia being the "world"? Try again. Sorry I misunderstood your point |
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Post by P London on Jul 21, 2022 10:18:30 GMT -5
I'm sure you realize that the economic growth experienced by China, India and developing nations due to cheap fossil fuels which has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty far outweighs the risk due to climate change so far from digging their own graves, cheap and reliant fossil fuels allowed them to climb out of the grave. These countries know this. This is why the doom and gloom media representing people living in complete privilege have no comprehension about the rest of the world. They don't realize no sensible nation is going to implement policy that will hurt economic growth because while many in the far left see economic growth as the problem to climate change tomorrow these nations are using economic growth to lift them out of poverty today The best way out of using fossil fuels isn't solar panels and wind turbines, it's more efficient and renewable fuel sources. Nuclear power is most likely It's those developing parts of the world that are often predicted to suffer the worst from climate change. Their economic development will hit a brick wall if even some of the more modest predictions come to fruition. Severe flooding in some parts of the world, droughts and water shortages elsewhere. I totally get your point. Who are we to tell those countries that they're not allowed to do what we did? Using fossil fuels to power an industrial revolution and improve living standards for everyone. That's why I think we're destined to fail. The issue with this rationale is wrong though I do agree the issue is the world has known of non fossil fuel power production but it was suppressed because it wasn't profitable in the long - especially in regards to Motor vehicles. The article below covers the history of the electric car which was eventually replaced by the combustible engine car. www.energy.gov/articles/history-electric-carSo we could have had Electric cars today and who knows how advantaged they would have been without the switch to petrol-powered cars. Then we go down the rabbit hole of Nikola Tesla who opposed energy made in the way ''we'' are ''trying'' to distance ourselves from. thefifthestate.com.au/energy-lead/energy/nikola-tesla-dreamed-of-free-electricity-what-happened/ |
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Post by jgtheone on Jul 21, 2022 17:52:01 GMT -5
The world's bigger than Australia. ^Is this a troll account? @jgtheone? Who is talking about the world you dingbat? I'm just saying that our media does that too. I happen to live here, not the world. So I'll report the shit that's happening here. What's that got to do with Australia being the "world"? Try again. Not as far as I know. Just a weird post. |
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Post by Beercules on Jul 21, 2022 18:51:31 GMT -5
I've stopped watching the news altogether. Can't handle the batshit cockmongling alarmist scare campaigns anymore. Latest I gem I heard from one of our esteemed globalist academics is that we are "committing collective suicide". Go suicide yourself and fuck your own decomposing corpse you necropheliac  |
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 22, 2022 1:23:21 GMT -5
^Is this a troll account? @jgtheone? Who is talking about the world you dingbat? I'm just saying that our media does that too. I happen to live here, not the world. So I'll report the shit that's happening here. What's that got to do with Australia being the "world"? Try again. Sorry I misunderstood your point It's all good. It's just that, when new people sign up anywhere (not just here) and they respond in an assertive way I usually assume they are sockpuppets or something. Anyway, welcome to this forum. You'll come across a myriad of different opinions here. |
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Post by paddy234 on Jul 22, 2022 20:39:10 GMT -5
I'm sure you realize that the economic growth experienced by China, India and developing nations due to cheap fossil fuels which has lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty far outweighs the risk due to climate change so far from digging their own graves, cheap and reliant fossil fuels allowed them to climb out of the grave. These countries know this. This is why the doom and gloom media representing people living in complete privilege have no comprehension about the rest of the world. They don't realize no sensible nation is going to implement policy that will hurt economic growth because while many in the far left see economic growth as the problem to climate change tomorrow these nations are using economic growth to lift them out of poverty today The best way out of using fossil fuels isn't solar panels and wind turbines, it's more efficient and renewable fuel sources. Nuclear power is most likely It's those developing parts of the world that are often predicted to suffer the worst from climate change. Their economic development will hit a brick wall if even some of the more modest predictions come to fruition. Severe flooding in some parts of the world, droughts and water shortages elsewhere. I totally get your point. Who are we to tell those countries that they're not allowed to do what we did? Using fossil fuels to power an industrial revolution and improve living standards for everyone. That's why I think we're destined to fail. To be honest I don't know what will be the fallout due to climate change in the future whether it be natural climate change or man-made. The reality is though these nations are well and truly in a better place than they were just a few years ago and are we really able to accurately predict that climate change will effectively ruin their country more so than if they never used cheap and reliable fossil fuels to lift millions out of poverty? We could say they are short sighted or they could say we are all insane and ignorant to the problems millions face today but the reality is if we truly want to change and move away from fossil fuels we need to make sure the transition toward new energy is one that creates growth and progress for all nations. Much of what is coming from the media today is asking us to make sacrifices and pay more taxes to help pay for inefficient forms of energy. An example of this is putting into policy that buying new petrol and Diesel cars in 10 years will be illegal forcing people to spend more money on over expensive and inefficient electric vehicles. An example of this is Jacinda Adhern who implemented this in New Zealand to go into effect in just 10 years. From now onwards those owning higher emissions vehicles will have to pay higher levy's with Farmers branding such a move disgraceful as they have no alternative. A new Toyota ute for example could attract $3000 worth of extra fees per year. When she was asked what about the likes of tradies who need larger trucks for work her response was that Toyota are bringing out an electric vehicle very soon. Toyota quickly responded that while they were planning on releasing an electric ute to the global market that they had no plans to bring it to New Zealand and that the Prime Minister's policy of making new petrol and diesel vehicles illegal was massively irresponsible as the technology and infrastructure has some way to go. You see these people don't even consult the car manufacturers. They don't even care. They just implement radical green policies to make themselves look good without comprehending the difficulty and time it would take and how damaging it is to their own people. If they truly wanted to direct the world away from fossil fuels they would be doing everything possible to invest in practical alternatives and implement policy in a more realistic time-frame |
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Post by paddy234 on Jul 22, 2022 20:49:18 GMT -5
I've stopped watching the news altogether. Can't handle the batshit cockmongling alarmist scare campaigns anymore. Latest I gem I heard from one of our esteemed globalist academics is that we are "committing collective suicide". Go suicide yourself and fuck your own decomposing corpse you necropheliac The doom and gloomers today see human beings as a virus. They see themselves are morally responsible by making a choice in having no children. They believe the world is overpopulated and needs to reduce significantly. Where is this self hate coming from? We have made more progress in the last few centuries than in entire millenniums and this is largely down to our values combined with technological advancement which has DOUBLED the life expectancy of those around the world today. We need more people, more growth, more innovation, who knows we finally might get the breakthrough soon to travel further from our own planet. I mean look at the size of the Universe, then look at our ability to explore. The greatest virus infecting people's minds today is that we can't continue to grow, to progress. That we need to regress to save the planet. It's a self-destructive mindset |
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