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Post by massiveshibe on Jan 21, 2023 16:38:00 GMT -5
Mind you, do more people in the world live between the Tropic of Capricorn and the Tropic of Cancer ? i dunno, have to look up the stats....  * edit: ok, 40% of the earth's mass and about 40% of the earth's population *
I. Hot weather is great for being outdoors, and cold weather ruins those activities.
1. Ever had to spend 10 minutes finding your parka just to go out in a bitterly cold day? 
2. Are you going to lose your limbs, extremities and be disabled for the rest of your life without extreme precautions in 110°F heat? A big fat NO!
3. Even in the hottest climates, people have gone without air conditioning or any climate control for millennia. The same can't be said for the coldest climates.
II. Humid cold, cold rain and snow is uncomfortable as fuck
1. Handsome T-storms with epic lightning shows and warm rain is amazing, however 
2. The feeling of a nice warm blanket with fragrant air in humid heat, or a warm breeze in dry heat feels amazing
3. The feeling of going from hot weather to cold weather (such as in places with variable summers or in fall after a nicely warm summer) feels like absolute hell
4. The feeling of warmth after a cold winter feels amazing, however!
III. Cold subarctic maritime overcast weather is depressing and uncomfortable as fuck
IV. You don't have to shovel sunshine.
V. Cold weather does not attract tourists.
1. Do you ever hear of people jetting off in winter to places like Fairbanks, Minneapolis, Umeå, Yellowknife in winter? NO!
2. I do continually hear of people jetting off to warm tropical/subtropical places like the U.S. South, SoCal, the Mediterranean and SE Asia (e.g. Thailand) however!
VI. Living in cold, cloudy climates is known to make people and societies less friendly.
1. People in places like Canada, the UK, France and Sweden, etc. are often very unfriendly, rude and arrogant
2. People living in warmer climes/regions like the U.S. South, the Med, etc. are all easier to get along with
VII. Hot weather is life, whereas cold weather is anti-life and breeds depression.
1. People get depressed, offing themselves and drinking to death in cold subarctic hellholes
VIII. It's much easier to acclimatize to the heat than to the cold!
IX. It's much easier to cool off than to warm yourself up.
1. Ever felt your hands and feet hurt from the cold? Well, it takes a lot of time to warm them up! Whereas with hot weather, all you need to do is take a cool shower and drink plenty of water, and you'll feel comfortable for several hours!
X. Especially in places with already cold winters, the feeling of that summer will end soon is depressing as fuck! I. Not if you have to exercise or simply walk. 1. I always know where my jackets are. Sounds like a “you” issue 2. You’ll still dehydrate to death or worse 3. The Eskimos, North Europeans and Slavs beg to differ. II. Overcast cold weather can indeed go to hell 1. Thunder is not fun when you have to be outside. But warm rain is indeed better than cold rain as it usually just a quick storm of heavy rain, as opposed to endless days of overcast drizzle. 2. The feeling of a warm blanket in cold weather beats that 3. Not if your location has goofy ahh winters without real cold weather like here. 4. Maybe if you live in Siberia or somewhere with actual cold winters. III. Can’t argue with that IV. Can’t argue with that V. A lot of people travel to cold places just for being cold. Even my town is a tourist hotspot for being one of the coldest in the country. I wish this point was true so my town wouldn’t get flooded with tourists in winter. 1. Why so many people travel to the alps and Rocky Mountains to ski then? 2. The US South and the Mediterranean are nowhere close to being tropical, they can even get chilly in winter. People don’t travel to Thailand for climatic reasons either. VI. Why is Europe so peaceful while Africa and the Middle East are having endless civil wars? 1. Canadians are literally known for being the friendliest people on Earth. The British are also very welcoming. You’re right about the French, but that’s not because of the weather, it’s because they are French. 2. I can agree about the mediterranean, but the US South is definitely not friendly, especially if you are en ethnic minority. VII. Nope 1. That has more to do with European culture as Europeans like to drink a lot. South Europe and North Europe have similar alcohol consumption rates per capta. VIII. That is false IX. I can wrap myself in a blanket to warm myself up, but to cool myself down I can’t do much. 1. Not true if the temperature is above your body temperature. X. It feels good when summer ends, at least in my location. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Jan 21, 2023 23:06:43 GMT -5
No I don't think so. I think the hype isn't too high. They are warm and some people like it that way. Ben's post is partly wrong, partly right, and mostly opinion. Massiveshibe posted a lot of the things I thought when I read it. On the topic greys started about people living in the tropics.. has anyone calculated the global population by climate type? I would like to see that. Only 2 of 10 largest cities have a coldest month above 18C: Mumbai and Dhaka. São Paulo is very close at 17. 6 are subtropical, 1 desert, 1 continental. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_citiesTokyo Cfa Delhi Cwa, close to Bsh Shanghai Cfa São Paulo Cfa/Cwa, 17C mean in coldest month Mexico City Cwb Cairo Bwh, coldest month 14C *Mumbai Aw, easily Beijing Dwa, close to Bsk *Dhaka Aw, coldest month 19C Osaka Cfa |
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Post by cawfeefan on Jan 22, 2023 3:25:42 GMT -5
No I don't think so. I think the hype isn't too high. They are warm and some people like it that way. Ben's post is partly wrong, partly right, and mostly opinion. Massiveshibe posted a lot of the things I thought when I read it. On the topic greys started about people living in the tropics.. has anyone calculated the global population by climate type? I would like to see that. Only 2 of 10 largest cities have a coldest month above 18C: Mumbai and Dhaka. São Paulo is very close at 17. 6 are subtropical, 1 desert, 1 continental. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_citiesTokyo Cfa Delhi Cwa, close to Bsh Shanghai Cfa São Paulo Cfa/Cwa, 17C mean in coldest month Mexico City Cwb Cairo Bwh, coldest month 14C *Mumbai Aw, easily Beijing Dwa, close to Bsk *Dhaka Aw, coldest month 19C Osaka Cfa Check out Geodiode's video on climate zone populations: Cfa is the most populous, followed closely by Am/Aw. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 22, 2023 9:38:24 GMT -5
Population proves that the subtropics are superior for human civilization. Only a slight amount of cold is needed, just to keep these areas free of tropical disease. Otherwise, mildness and warmth predominate.
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Post by Crunch41 on Jan 23, 2023 19:18:02 GMT -5
Check out Geodiode's video on climate zone populations: Cfa is the most populous, followed closely by Am/Aw. Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. |
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Post by Ariete on Jan 25, 2023 11:12:21 GMT -5
Strewth! I couldn't have said that better myself! Let me introduce you to Benny's 10 Mitzvahs as to why cold weather fucking sucks and why hot and humid/dry weather is amazing!...
My replies:
I. 1. No. Ever heard of a clothes hanger or a wardrobe? 2. Amputation of fingers or toes due to frostbite is extraordinarily rare, and requires below -25C windchill values. Finland averages 3 hospitalisations for 100k people in an average winter. Amputation is a real risk only for mountaineers and homeless addicts. Prolonged heat might be hazardous in another way, for example heart issues
3. Don't care
II. Dress appropriately 1. Indeed they are. Not in January, though 2. So does many other things. next 3. Not an issue for me personally 4. Indeed it does. And that is a plus for winter
III. Ok
IV. You don't have to shovel cold oceanic overcast either. Irrelevant
V. Categorically false 1. Ever heard of Aspen, CO? The Alps? If you drive to the Hemavan ski resort in Sweden, you probably gonna drive through Umeå. In Finnish Lapland winter is the high season, especially in Christmas with tourists from Britain to China 2. I have never ever heard of anyone going on holiday to South Carolina, Alabama or Mississippi
VI. Hearsay. There are rude Floridians, there are rude Norwegians, there are rude Saudis
VII. False 1./2. Finland and Australia have very similar rates of depression, despite being total opposites in climate.
VIII. Incorrect. If it is, please point to some studies
IX. Depends completely on the method
X. True, why for example Detroit is a better climate than Turku. But Singapore is not.
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 27, 2023 2:41:33 GMT -5
Population proves that the subtropics are superior for human civilization. I wouldn't use population as a guide. In the modern world, high birthrates are generally associated with low economic development. Whereas developed countries have low birthrates. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 27, 2023 2:52:03 GMT -5
Population proves that the subtropics are superior for human civilization. I wouldn't use population as a guide. In the modern world, high birthrates are generally associated with low economic development. Whereas civilised, developed countries have low birthrates. That’s a great point. This proves that the subtropics are superior to both the tropics and the boreal zones. Economic development tells us that the largest and most prosperous population centers are in the subtropics. SE US, California, Japan, SE China, Southern AU, Chile/Argentina/SE Brazil, South Africa, and the Mediterranean are all subtropical regions with the world’s robust economies. The Boreal zones may have higher GDP per capita in some cases, but this is clearly a function of these countries having small populations and exploitable natural resources, like energy in Norway and Canada. |
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Post by greysrigging on Jan 27, 2023 3:02:11 GMT -5
Population proves that the subtropics are superior for human civilization. I wouldn't use population as a guide. In the modern world, high birthrates are generally associated with low economic development. Whereas civilised, developed countries have low birthrates. Ancient world civilizations began, thrived, rose and fell in and around the Mediterranean Sea and Middle East.... later examples of advanced Civilizations were in Central and South America ( oh and China and the Indian Subcontinent ). Modern developed 'civilized' countries had similar birthrates as third word regions up until post WW2, when modern contraception and family planning became socially acceptable and normalised. Why has Canada only an 8th of the population of the US ? I'd say purely climatic.... same as Australia.... driest continent as well as the oldest continent with relatively poor soils.... they're both tough places to eke out a living climatically.... |
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 27, 2023 4:00:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't use population as a guide. In the modern world, high birthrates are generally associated with low economic development. Whereas civilised, developed countries have low birthrates. Why has Canada only an 8th of the population of the US ? I'd say purely climatic.... same as Australia.... driest continent as well as the oldest continent with relatively poor soils.... they're both tough places to eke out a living climatically.... Of course there's plenty of examples where climates are too extreme to sustain large numbers of people. My main point is more is that population isn't entirely informative given how much it has fluctuated throughout history due to different factors independent of a region's climate. We're currently seeing some very high birthrates in parts of the world that are not exactly bastions of prosperity. |
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 27, 2023 4:06:10 GMT -5
I wouldn't use population as a guide. In the modern world, high birthrates are generally associated with low economic development. Whereas civilised, developed countries have low birthrates. SE US, California, Japan, SE China, Southern AU, Chile/Argentina/SE Brazil, South Africa, and the Mediterranean are all subtropical regions with the world’s robust economies. Some strange examples. "Robust" is not a word many would use to describe the economies of those countries/regions in bold. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 27, 2023 13:06:49 GMT -5
SE US, California, Japan, SE China, Southern AU, Chile/Argentina/SE Brazil, South Africa, and the Mediterranean are all subtropical regions with the world’s robust economies. Some strange examples. "Robust" is not a word many would use to describe the economies of those countries/regions in bold. France, Spain, and Italy are all over trillion dollar economies enough said, Brazil is an emerging economy with its engine in the SE of the country, and Chile/Argentina and SA have the best living standard in their respective regions. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 27, 2023 13:12:17 GMT -5
Strewthless Argentina especially is an example of the superiority of the subtropics. They had an amazing economy for so long, until humans mismanaged it. It's still a firmly middle-power economy despite this, due to its excellent geography/climate which allows it to always be an agricultural powerhouse.
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 27, 2023 13:18:32 GMT -5
Strewthless Argentina especially is an example of the superiority of the subtropics. They had an amazing economy for so long, until humans mismanaged it. It's still a firmly middle-power economy despite this, due to its excellent geography/climate which allows it to always be an agricultural powerhouse. Argentina defaults on its debts at least once every decade. That's not what success looks like. They had an amazing economy for so long, until humans mismanaged it. Honestly the most bizarre sentence I've ever read. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 27, 2023 13:22:23 GMT -5
Strewthless Argentina especially is an example of the superiority of the subtropics. They had an amazing economy for so long, until humans mismanaged it. It's still a firmly middle-power economy despite this, due to its excellent geography/climate which allows it to always be an agricultural powerhouse. Argentina defaults on its debts at least once every decade. That's not what success looks like. They had an amazing economy for so long, until humans mismanaged it. Honestly the most bizarre sentence I've ever read.
Argentina used to have a respectable economy.
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 27, 2023 13:23:23 GMT -5
Argentina defaults on its debts at least once every decade. That's not what success looks like. Honestly the most bizarre sentence I've ever read. Argentina used to have a respectable economy. Exactly, "used to". Shame none of us were alive to see it. I'm not sure how posting a graph showing that Argentina's economy is going through long-term terminal decline supports your argument. Seems like you're making my argument for me. |
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Post by Cheeseman on Jan 28, 2023 18:27:37 GMT -5
Argentina used to have a respectable economy. Exactly, "used to". Shame none of us were alive to see it. I'm not sure how posting a graph showing that Argentina's economy is going through long-term terminal decline supports your argument. Seems like you're making my argument for me. While Argentina's economy has been in decline for a long time, what this does show is that Argentina did once have a GDP per capita almost on par with that of the US - proving Mets' point that Argentina did once have a respectable economy. Just because something happened before you were born doesn't make it irrelevant or necessarily false. |
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Post by Strewthless on Jan 28, 2023 18:40:44 GMT -5
Exactly, "used to". Shame none of us were alive to see it. I'm not sure how posting a graph showing that Argentina's economy is going through long-term terminal decline supports your argument. Seems like you're making my argument for me. Just because something happened before you were born doesn't make it irrelevant or necessarily false. It does when the example is presented in the present tense. |
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Post by Mariam on Feb 6, 2023 9:01:35 GMT -5
Definitely yes. Heat aswell 🤢
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Post by Ethereal on Feb 11, 2023 2:20:42 GMT -5
Underrated here, overrated in the outside world
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