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Post by Moron on Sept 19, 2017 10:45:04 GMT -5
Simply too cold and the long summer days dont make up for the cold, wet and snowy other 3/4 of the year. E
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 19, 2017 10:49:20 GMT -5
Is it all the lakes keeping the overnight lows up (must be)? Especially Kuopio's 14C July low seems a bit insane  Hell, that only happens in outer oceanic places or heat islands even in southern Sweden. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 19, 2017 11:27:13 GMT -5
Is it all the lakes keeping the overnight lows up (must be)? Especially Kuopio's 14C July low seems a bit insane Hell, that only happens in outer oceanic places or heat islands even in southern Sweden. Yes, it is. Of course in winter you don't see a difference as the lakes are frozen. The so called "Lake Finland" has interesting hemiboreal pockets with groves of oaks growing at 62N and maples up to 63N. The second chart for today is the so-called Weber Point, the Center of Population of Finland. It's located in the Tavastian city of Hämeenlinna. Here's their current century:  |
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 19, 2017 11:31:45 GMT -5
It's especially intriguing as lakeshore towns in Sweden such as Vänersborg and Karlstad have such mediocre avg lows in summer in spite of the massive size of Lake Vänern. Instead both resemble more continental climates in summer. Ultimately I guess the North Sea cool maritime air travelling over land hamper their lows a bit.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 19, 2017 11:47:42 GMT -5
It's especially intriguing as lakeshore towns in Sweden such as Vänersborg and Karlstad have such mediocre avg lows in summer in spite of the massive size of Lake Vänern. Instead both resemble more continental climates in summer. Ultimately I guess the North Sea cool maritime air travelling over land hamper their lows a bit. Most likely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 13:38:28 GMT -5
To demonstrate the coldness of Northern Karelia, I made the Joensuu averages and compared them with Punkaharju's some 90 km south. Of the stats I have, Punkaharju is also the northenmost köppen Dfb in Eastern Finland in the 81-10 normals. In this map kronan (or whoever) takes the boat from Joensuu down to Punkaharju, and you'll see where the locations are on the map:  And here's the current averages:  Though Punkaharju is capable of some very low records, the averages, both highs and lows are warmer in every month. did a box for mekrijärvi further east just for comparision. did not include average max or min as that would take an eternity to calculate.  slightly colder winters, and notably lower record lows compared to liperi. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 19, 2017 15:14:14 GMT -5
Here's some more locations in Southern Finland. Salo, 50 km ESE from Turku. Nice highs there, buddy.  Then Lohja, 55 km ESE from Salo. We were talking about microclimates yesterday, well here you have one. I knew the station is well-placed by Lake Lohja, but I didn't know that the effect is that huge. Look at some of those lows! And not a single air frost in September in 17 years! WOW!   Finally, Hyvinkää, 52 km N from Helsinki, and not by any body of water. The lows are surprisingly chilly! The elevation is around 90 m, so it might have a small effect at these latitudes.  |
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 19, 2017 15:43:04 GMT -5
Salo looks like the landbrigdge of Åland between the warm Uppland plains and the resulting warm waters in Turku escalate things rather quickly! Those are as hot summer days as Falun and not far below Stockholm and St Petersburg |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 19, 2017 16:20:19 GMT -5
did a box for mekrijärvi further east just for comparision. did not include average max or min as that would take an eternity to calculate. slightly colder winters, and notably lower record lows compared to liperi. I make Lieksa Lampela when I move to Central Finland. Yes, pretty gg. And Salo has achieved a higher record high in May in 17 years than Stockholm in 250 years.  |
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Post by sari on Sept 19, 2017 16:32:29 GMT -5
B+. The climates seem just a bit dry  The best one posted in this thread seems to be Oulu with wonderful summers. |
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Post by Babu on Sept 19, 2017 17:06:40 GMT -5
Yeah, Stockholm's May record is appauling! Just look at Uppsala for comparison. Salo looks pretty impressive. Uppsala's temp stats are still far more impressive for the latitude, but Salo probably is a bit sunnier considering it's coastal. I wish we had more data for the Roslagen areas. And it's ridiculous that we don't have a single coastal sunshine recorder between Umeå and MALMÖ. WHAT? Althoug to be fair, one was opened in Karlskrona in 2008 but still.... I want sunshine stats for Kalmar, Västervik, Öland, Nyköping, and you know, STATS at all for Roslagen... |
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 19, 2017 17:12:13 GMT -5
Nyköping would need a proper weather station. I just wrote the numbers based on Oxelösund/Norrköping estimates, 1961-1990 average maps, the 1971-1987 rainfall and all that. It's most definitely correct though and I can vouch for that since I live here, but it sucks that I had to adopt unorthodox methods just to get a weatherbox for the place  At least it matches closely with SMHI's map, but I've rounded it up sometimes so it should essentially be seen as 1981-2010. August in particular tends to be very mild and pleasant here due to the proximity to the sea but being in a hinterland. That month I spot the largest difference between here and Örebro, where the warmth often ticks off quite early on. Norrtälje has an intriguing climate. You should look at Svanberga though, which has numbers since 2001 I believe. Svanberga though is a frost hollow, whose overnight lows aren't so representative for Norrtälje. They get early frosts rather frequently there. Norrtälje is more of a cooled-down Nyköping. I'd estimate its summer highs for 2002-16 would be about 22.8C with 12.4C lows. It's too far inland from the proper sea and at the wrong direction to get sea winds that we get from straight south to get proper warm nights. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 9, 2019 10:31:41 GMT -5
A- overall. Not terribly diverse, but the overall climate is to my liking
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 13:32:41 GMT -5
99% of Finland is an F. A few southern places like Helsinki and Turku have horrible but not failing climates that earn a D-. They represent a significant portion of the population of Finland.
I'll be generous and give an E-.
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Post by Ariete on Apr 9, 2019 15:00:57 GMT -5
99% of Finland is an F. A few southern places like Helsinki and Turku have horrible but not failing climates that earn a D-. They represent a significant portion of the population of Finland.
I'll be generous and give an E-. Yup: |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 9, 2019 15:46:33 GMT -5
B+, fucken.
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Post by Morningrise on Apr 13, 2019 8:37:46 GMT -5
D. Winter temperatures are totally inoffensive given the latitudes involved, but those winters are way too sunless and the rest of the year is far too chilly for my liking. There also isn't a whole lot of variety.
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Hell, that only happens in outer oceanic places or heat islands even in southern Sweden.
The best one posted in this thread seems to be Oulu with wonderful summers.
At least it matches closely with SMHI's map, but I've rounded it up sometimes so it should essentially be seen as 1981-2010. August in particular tends to be very mild and pleasant here due to the proximity to the sea but being in a hinterland. That month I spot the largest difference between here and Örebro, where the warmth often ticks off quite early on.
