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Post by Ethereal on Oct 13, 2024 20:16:56 GMT -5
In 1819, settler William Wentworth noted that Sydney is the "Montpellier of the world" when it came to its mild climate. To me the climates are pretty different, albeit inoffensive. Which do you prefer? I used the Olympic Park's climate data because it is more representative of most of Sydney.
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Post by Steelernation on Oct 13, 2024 20:18:29 GMT -5
2011-presentโฆwtf kind of southathens por is that. Not voting due to fake data.
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Post by Ethereal on Oct 13, 2024 20:25:09 GMT -5
2011-presentโฆwtf kind of southathens por is that. Not voting due to fake data. How the hell is a recent-years climate data "fake"? If you want to be critical and pedantic, do it properly. The only thing "fake" about the climate table are Sydney's sunshine hours, which I added for user-convenience sake (sunshine hours are pretty much the same for all of Sydney). Here is the actual OFFICIAL source for Olympic Park (it clearly states 2011-2024): www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_066212_All.shtmlSo "fake" my ass.
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Post by arcleo on Oct 13, 2024 20:28:11 GMT -5
Sydney for wetter summers and more rain in general, though Montpellier has slightly better temps
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Post by trolik on Oct 13, 2024 20:30:52 GMT -5
Why are MPL's record highs so weird.
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Post by Steelernation on Oct 13, 2024 20:42:08 GMT -5
How the hell is a recent-years climate data "fake"? If you want to be critical and pedantic, do it properly. The only thing "fake" about the climate table are Sydney's sunshine hours, which I added for user-convenience sake (sunshine hours are pretty much the same for all of Sydney). Here is the actual OFFICIAL source for Olympic Park (it clearly states 2011-2024): www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_066212_All.shtmlSo "fake" my ass. Standard is 30 years, anything shorter isn't representative of the climate, and especially just 13 years. And I don't care that it's from an official source, it's still fake due to the tiny por.
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Post by AJ1013 on Oct 13, 2024 20:49:18 GMT -5
Steelernation The long POR station in Sydney is rather unrepresentative of the city to be fair
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Post by tommyFL on Oct 13, 2024 20:51:00 GMT -5
Sydney, because it's better than any boring Med shithole regardless of how long the POR is
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Post by Benfxmth on Oct 13, 2024 20:53:33 GMT -5
Sydney, no brainer. Higher dewpoints and better record highs in summer and warmer the rest of the year, win-win.
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Post by AJ1013 on Oct 13, 2024 21:08:53 GMT -5
Sydney for wetter summers and more rain in general, though Montpellier has slightly better temps You referencing the 110F in June?
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Post by greysrigging on Oct 13, 2024 22:33:25 GMT -5
The Olympic Park site has had 2 reporting AWS's .... 1996-2011: 2011-2024: Anyways, the Observatory Hill site is the OFFICIAL reporting site for Sydney in all meteorological statements/media etc unless otherwise noted ( ie sometimes Sydney Airport ) Observatory Hill 1991-2020: In anycase there are plenty of for and against arguments re AWS locations.... I would suggest that Olympic Park is in no way representative of the eastern suburbs, nor of the northern coasts ie Manly and the like, nor down south around Cronulla. That is also a fair chunk of Sydney.
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Post by greysrigging on Oct 13, 2024 22:41:40 GMT -5
Steelernation The long POR station in Sydney is rather unrepresentative of the city to be fair Sorrowfully wrong ( paraphrasing old mate AA ) It is totally representative of the City.... it is in the CBD on the Harbour near the Bridge and the Opera House. Cant get more Sydney City than that !! Now if ya wanna talk about where the great unwashed peasants live out West, that is a very different region socially and meteorologically. The circled areas show the AWS at Olympic Park and at Observatory Hill:
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Post by AJ1013 on Oct 14, 2024 7:01:39 GMT -5
Steelernation The long POR station in Sydney is rather unrepresentative of the city to be fair Sorrowfully wrong ( paraphrasing old mate AA ) It is totally representative of the City.... it is in the CBD on the Harbour near the Bridge and the Opera House. Cant get more Sydney City than that !! Now if ya wanna talk about where the great unwashed peasants live out West, that is a very different region socially and meteorologically. The circled areas show the AWS at Olympic Park and at Observatory Hill: Itโs on a hill right on the water. Definitely going to have more muted temps (both highs and lows) than most of Sydney.
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Post by Kaleetan on Oct 14, 2024 7:38:39 GMT -5
Sydney for the milder winters and higher precip. Easy.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Oct 14, 2024 9:04:48 GMT -5
Montpellier of course for the dry, sunny summers.
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Post by tompas on Oct 14, 2024 10:40:28 GMT -5
Slight edge to Montpellier.
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Post by greysrigging on Oct 14, 2024 17:11:05 GMT -5
Sorrowfully wrong ( paraphrasing old mate AA ) It is totally representative of the City.... it is in the CBD on the Harbour near the Bridge and the Opera House. Cant get more Sydney City than that !! Now if ya wanna talk about where the great unwashed peasants live out West, that is a very different region socially and meteorologically. The circled areas show the AWS at Olympic Park and at Observatory Hill: Itโs on a hill right on the water. Definitely going to have more muted temps (both highs and lows) than most of Sydney. Not really.... "Sydney Observatory Hill: The current site is located on Observatory Hill, on the north side of the main Sydney Observatory complex. It has been the primary site since October 2017. The observatory buildings are to the south, with a paling fence and then parklands to the north. A ridge and trees make the site more sheltered from the east and north-east than the previous sites, and hence it tends to have somewhat warmer days under sea-breeze conditions. History Originally the site was in the main Observatory grounds on the south side of the Observatory buildings. It moved about 100 m south in 1917. This was in a small grassed enclosure (about 10 by 10 m) about 100 m south of the main Sydney Observatory complex. There is a freeway immediately east of the site but it is in a deep cutting at this point, and its construction was found to have no significant impact on the temperature observations. Observations here continued until August 2020, although it ceased to be the primary ACORN-SAT site in October 2017. There have been a number of changes in the built environment around this site during its history, most significantly the demolition of some buildings associated with the nearby Fort Street school in about 1938 and their reconstruction in about 1947. A wall was also built on the south edge of the instrument enclosure in the 1970s or early 1980s. The pre-1917 site was a more exposed location on a hilltop and had lower maximum temperatures, especially in winter, than the current location. An automatic weather station was installed at the current site on 8 August 1990. The area is heavily built-up and has been since at least the late 19th century. An analysis of minimum temperature trends in the ACORN-SAT data showed no evidence of an abnormal warming trend relative to non-urban sites in the region, indicating that any urban influence on the data was already fully developed by the time ACORN-SAT begins in 1910. Ya wanna see a real 'on the water' AWS in Sydney ? This is in the middle of Sydney Harbour, called Wedding Cake:
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on Oct 14, 2024 17:16:02 GMT -5
Sydney easily
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Post by Cadeau on Oct 14, 2024 17:21:20 GMT -5
Montpellier for colder winters and better precipitation patterns.
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Post by Ethereal on Oct 16, 2024 1:13:53 GMT -5
How the hell is a recent-years climate data "fake"? If you want to be critical and pedantic, do it properly. The only thing "fake" about the climate table are Sydney's sunshine hours, which I added for user-convenience sake (sunshine hours are pretty much the same for all of Sydney). Here is the actual OFFICIAL source for Olympic Park (it clearly states 2011-2024): www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_066212_All.shtmlSo "fake" my ass. Standard is 30 years, anything shorter isn't representative of the climate, and especially just 13 years. And I don't care that it's from an official source, it's still fake due to the tiny por. I'd use the right term, like "not a representative" as you said, which is a fair point. 'Fake' is really dishonest tbh. Anyway, the older climate station closed down in 2011 (it was opened in 1997 - still not long enough by your standards). Didn't use it because we had a number of record highs/lows since 2011. So the new station seemed like an update or more current.
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