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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 9:29:35 GMT -5
So here might be a tough nut to crack for some of you.  A cool continental climate vs a super-stereotypic oceanic climate. Do you pick warmer shoulder seasons and winters, but have to take a hit in even worse crummers, much more rainfall and much less sunshine? Or do you take the cool continental with cold winters, but pronounced four seasons with less rain and more sunshine? NOTE that The Met Office haven't got the station records public, so I had to check another inland place from Wikipedia. Castlederp neither has a sunshine recorder, so therefore I went with the NI average. I also suspected the Helsinki September record low to be a glitch, but apparently it's completely legit. |
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Post by Donar on Nov 28, 2017 9:33:59 GMT -5
Helenski. No-brainer for me. Both aren't good, though.
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Post by boombo on Nov 28, 2017 9:42:45 GMT -5
I'll give Castlederg the edge in Mar-Apr and Oct-Nov, Helsinki clearly wins during the rest of the year.
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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -5
I'll give Castlederg the edge in Mar-Apr and Oct-Nov, Helsinki clearly wins during the rest of the year. Why would you give C the edge in April? Helenski obviously takes the hit in temps because that's a period of a rapid-warm up, but it has half the rainfall and more sunshine. (As in: avg high the first five days in April 5C, avg high in the last five days 14C). |
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Post by boombo on Nov 28, 2017 9:57:19 GMT -5
I'll give Castlederg the edge in Mar-Apr and Oct-Nov, Helsinki clearly wins during the rest of the year. Why would you give C the edge in April? Helenski obviously takes the hit in temps because that's a period of a rapid-warm up, but it has half the rainfall and more sunshine. (As in: avg high the first five days in April 5C, avg high in the last five days 14C). Well that was a borderline decision but it was the temps, I ideally want no winter weather by the time April comes around. Typical April conditions to me is sunny spells and showers and a gradual leaf-out like you'd probably get in Castlederg, I'd guess the trees in Helsinki will be bare for the vast majority of the month and will all burst into leaf really suddenly. |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 10:16:58 GMT -5
Well that was a borderline decision but it was the temps, I ideally want no winter weather by the time April comes around. Typical April conditions to me is sunny spells and showers and a gradual leaf-out like you'd probably get in Castlederg, I'd guess the trees in Helsinki will be bare for the vast majority of the month and will all burst into leaf really suddenly. I think Castlederg has a very slow bursting to leaf due to the temp pattern, while in Helsinki it's an explosion. Here's the breakdown of the April temps in Helsinki (1980-2012) hi/lo: 1st third: 5.8C/-1.6C 2nd third: 8.3C/-0.4C 3rd third: 12.3C/1.7C So Helsinki reaches the Castlederg averages in the final third, while the 1991-2014 averages gives an avg high of 11.6C during the second half of April. So a compromise would probably be to give the first half to C and the second half to H?  |
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 28, 2017 10:20:22 GMT -5
Easily Helsinki! Castlederg makes Aberdeen look pleasant  |
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Post by boombo on Nov 28, 2017 10:32:46 GMT -5
Well that was a borderline decision but it was the temps, I ideally want no winter weather by the time April comes around. Typical April conditions to me is sunny spells and showers and a gradual leaf-out like you'd probably get in Castlederg, I'd guess the trees in Helsinki will be bare for the vast majority of the month and will all burst into leaf really suddenly. I think Castlederg has a very slow bursting to leaf due to the temp pattern, while in Helsinki it's an explosion. Here's the breakdown of the April temps in Helsinki (1980-2012) hi/lo: 1st third: 5.8C/-1.6C 2nd third: 8.3C/-0.4C 3rd third: 12.3C/1.7C So Helsinki reaches the Castlederg averages in the final third, while the 1991-2014 averages gives an avg high of 11.6C during the second half of April. So a compromise would probably be to give the first half to C and the second half to H? Yeah, I can go for that, especially with the extra sunshine and longer days being more noticeable by then. Call it 8.5-3.5 to Helsinki instead of 8-4 The first decent long and warmish days must mean a lot more somewhere like Helsinki after a colder and darker winter, just like in Bingley Castlederg was actually colder in April 2016 than December 2015, and both months seem like a bland nothingness temps-wise apart from the neverending rain they had that December: www.tutiempo.net/clima/12-2015/ws-39040.htmlwww.tutiempo.net/clima/04-2016/ws-39040.html |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 10:47:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 11:57:45 GMT -5
Helsinki, for being much drier, and actually having a summer. Although I think Castlederp does have better temperatures throughout most of the year.
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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 12:08:07 GMT -5
Helsinki, for being much drier, and actually having a summer. Although I think Castlederp does have better temperatures throughout most of the year. I would take C's Sep-Nov period in a heartbeat over H's. March as well. April too because of recently. The April mean temp in HEL is +0.5C during the "Swedish style" 2002-2016 average compared to the 1981-2010 normals. Castlederp has probably too warmed up somewhat, but likely less proportionally. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 12:37:03 GMT -5
I thought it was a bit colder in Owen's neck of the woods - here has colder winter minimums and more air frost. That rain day/rainfall ratio is pretty harsh as well.
Would have to choose it over Helsinki though -the warmer summers and greater sunshine, don't make up for the colder winters.
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Post by Ariete on Nov 28, 2017 12:50:54 GMT -5
I thought it was a bit colder in Owen's neck of the woods - here has colder winter minimums and more air frost. That rain day/rainfall ratio is pretty harsh as well. Would have to choose it over Helsinki though -the warmer summers and greater sunshine, don't make up for the colder winters. First I thought that I would choose a higher elevation place to warrant the "snow on the hills" claim, but I figured it would be an even more unfair battle. Lough Fea SAMOS is only at around 230 m ASL: www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gcepkcwhy |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 13:01:22 GMT -5
I thought it was a bit colder in Owen's neck of the woods - here has colder winter minimums and more air frost. That rain day/rainfall ratio is pretty harsh as well. Would have to choose it over Helsinki though -the warmer summers and greater sunshine, don't make up for the colder winters. First I thought that I would choose a higher elevation place to warrant the "snow on the hills" claim, but I figured it would be an even more unfair battle. Lough Fea SAMOS is only at around 230 m ASL: www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate/gcepkcwhyThat's actually quite an impressive difference, for such a modest altitude gain - Helsinki would win this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 13:21:10 GMT -5
You have to remember that much of the altitude gain given to Owen's hill, about 400m, is also negated by how close it is to the sea.  |
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 28, 2017 15:54:42 GMT -5
Helsinki no contest.
Much drier, warmer summers, colder winters, more sun etc.
Its only a D, but the other place is an F.
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Post by knot on Nov 28, 2017 15:58:47 GMT -5
Helsinki>>>>Castlederp. Castlederp is too bland.
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Post by Beercules on Nov 28, 2017 17:51:22 GMT -5
Both are shit but Castlederp is shitter. I'll take Helsinki's sunshine and summers.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 28, 2017 21:12:05 GMT -5
Hellshitki for sure. The warmer summers, colder winters, and cooler shoulder seasons are all positives for me. Plus, I heard people there like hugs.  |
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