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Post by alex992 on Sept 25, 2017 14:35:28 GMT -5
One interesting inquiry I've always had is I wonder what the largest deviation from average that has ever occurred is? One contender I would think is Rogers Pass, Montana that has a record low of -70 F (-57 C) in January yet has an average low of 10 F (-12 C), a full 80 F (44 C) below average! wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?mtlincLincoln is the town immediately adjacent to Rogers Pass. I wonder if somewhere being 50 C below average has ever occurred?
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Post by boombo on Sept 25, 2017 14:42:26 GMT -5
There's Glacierx on C-D with a really good knowledge of that kind of stuff, he's certainly mentioned the Canadian record before and it's something really impressive. One to add to the invite list!
I would guess the highest potential deviation from monthly averages would be in March though? It is here, but only by a fraction over January.
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Post by Babu on Sept 25, 2017 14:47:57 GMT -5
Just a couple that come to mind here... A heat burst in May this year saw a temperature of 34C at 2am at the Met Office station in Selmun. And a minimum overnight temperature on my PWS of 24.7C on November 8th 2016, especially when you see how cold most of the rest of Europe was that night. The minimum at Luqa was 23.7C: And -10'C in coastal southern Norway and Finland.... Edit: Nvm, thought the map was of this May...
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Post by alex992 on Sept 25, 2017 14:51:48 GMT -5
There's Glacierx on C-D with a really good knowledge of that kind of stuff, he's certainly mentioned the Canadian record before and it's something really impressive. One to add to the invite list! I would guess the highest potential deviation from monthly averages would be in March though? It is here, but only by a fraction over January. That town I linked before recorded -55 F (-48 C) back in an intense cold snap in mid-November in 1955, which would be 75 F (42 C) below average! I think I recall Glacierx mentioning something about a severe cold snap that occurred out west at the end of November of 1985 that dropped temps as low as -60 F (-51 C) in some spots in southern and central British Columbia? Those spots probably have average lows of about 15-20 F at that time of year, which would be 75-80 F below average as well. I would guess anytime between November and early April can get ridiculously big anomalies like those? I would assume ocean-influenced climates like the U.K. probably get them later than inland continental climates.
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Post by boombo on Sept 25, 2017 15:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by boombo on Sept 25, 2017 15:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by boombo on Sept 25, 2017 15:36:13 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Sept 25, 2017 16:28:23 GMT -5
Didn't the lower Midwest get something similar (albeit less ludicrous considering the latitude) in 2009? I remember Saritra talking about it
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Post by glacier on Sept 27, 2017 15:06:30 GMT -5
One interesting inquiry I've always had is I wonder what the largest deviation from average that has ever occurred is? One contender I would think is Rogers Pass, Montana that has a record low of -70 F (-57 C) in January yet has an average low of 10 F (-12 C), a full 80 F (44 C) below average! wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?mtlincLincoln is the town immediately adjacent to Rogers Pass. I wonder if somewhere being 50 C below average has ever occurred? Just to be clear, we are not talking about the coldest months of all time, but rather the coldest lows relative to the average lows... I do not think the Montana temperature actually happened, but even if it did (highly doubtful since no one else in the state was even close to that cold that day), it would be situated in a spot that has much, much colder temperatures than nearby Lincoln. When we talk about most below average, what average are we talking about? I mean, averages have gone up so much in recent decades, it's not hard to achieve 30 or more below today's average some 100 years ago. 50 below average, no way. In January, 1950, many places in here BC averaged for the entire month more than 20 degrees C below the 1981-2010 normal. The cold peaked in the middle of January, so even though it was the all time low for most places, it was also the time of year with the lowest average. Still, despite that, places like Seattle south of the border absolutely shattered any previous or later record by more than 5F! In fact, 8 of the 11 coldest temperature ever recorded in Seattle took place in January of 1950. Here are some examples: Quesnel was 34.2C/61.6F below normal with a reading of -46.7C/-52F on January 24th, 1950. Also, 33.6C/60.5F below normal with a reading of -46.7C/-52F on the 17th. Whitehorse, Yukon, has only ever been 30C below normal once, and that was on North America's coldest cold snap when the temperature hit -52.2C/-61F on January 31st, 1947 (That's 31C/55.8F below normal). Same goes for places in northern BC like Dease Lake. Unlike Seattle, Victoria (across the water on Vancouver Island) was colder in December of 1968, when December 28th to 30th were 17.2C to 18.4C below normal. Only one other date has been 17C/30.6F below normal, and that was January 13th, 1950 when the temperature was 17.3C/31.1F below the normal of 2.9C. Other cold places I've found are Barkerville, which is amazingly off of the average given the fact it's an interior rainforest. The cold on January 31st, 1947 was 34C/61.2F below the normal of 12.7C. The next closest record comes from November 27th, 1985 when the temperature was 31.3C below the normal of -10.7C. Other cold snaps occurred in February of 1907 and 1909, but very few weather stations existed back then. Fort St. James was one such station with the coldest supposedly being 35C/63F below the normal of -21.2C on February 3rd, 1907. Supposedly because I suspect the station has moved since then. February 4th, 1907 and February 13th, 1909 were both more than 34C below normal. The nearest station to me, Vernon, BC, was 30.8C/55.4F below normal on December 28th, 1968. That's by far the most below normal date on record here, and records go back to 1900. The next closest was February 7th, 1936 at 29.7C below normal. Some of the most extreme examples of below normal I can find here in BC were set in January 24th and 25th of 1950 in Kleena Kleene and Westwold respectively. Both ere 36.1C/65F below normal (normals are -13.9C and -9.5). I suspect there were other places even more off in 1950, but they have no recent data to generate normals, or they have new data but nothing from 1950. One is near Kleena Kleene where Lunch Lake was 34C below normal in November 1985. Given the fact that Kleena Kleene was 32.9C below normal in 1985, you can see why this is definitely possible. And finally, the most extreme examples I can find here in BC are Vavenby and Prince George from January 1950. Prince George was 36.1C/65.3F below normal on January 24th and 36.3C below the normal of -13.7 on January 2nd. Like Kleena Kleene, this was a record shattering -50C/-58F (recorded to the nearest degree F). Vavenby takes top spot (though really tied when considered rounding error) with a reading of 36.4C/65.5F below the normal of -9.7.
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Post by alex992 on Sept 27, 2017 15:15:00 GMT -5
^ Yeah, that -70 F reading is a bit suspicious, but since it's been -53 F in mid-November in Montana before (1955) I suppose it's certainly possible? Also, to be fair, Rogers Pass does look like the type of location where cold air would sink to on a cold winter's night. Here's a Google Maps picture of it: www.google.com/maps/@47.076273,-112.3707361,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjQCwrmlk8nI3c014SGeWsQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DjQCwrmlk8nI3c014SGeWsQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D102.7834%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i3328!8i1664 Could have been a localized cold spot? P.S. Copy and paste URL in the address bar, I don't know why it came out so .
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Post by alex992 on Nov 16, 2017 14:12:30 GMT -5
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 16, 2017 14:50:40 GMT -5
I can think of two really prominent examples of this here in the past 10 or so years.
The first is January, 9, 2010. The strongest cold front if the century moved through during the overnight hours and followimg it's passage temps dropped throughout the day. The temperature during the early afternoon, normally the hottest part of the day, was at about 40F (4.5C), 35F (19C) below normal. The low that night was 33F (0.5C)
The other day that really sticks out is December, 19, 2016. The low that mornimg was a stunningly hot 77F (25C) with some areas even warmer (MIA had a low of 79F (26.5C). Was very strange to have legitimate summer temps durimg the shortest part of the year. Something I hope to never experience again.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 16, 2017 14:59:09 GMT -5
January 9, 2010 is the best weather day we've had. Well the next day wasn't bad, highs in the 40s and where I lived in the far west suburbs we had a freeze.
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 16, 2017 15:04:32 GMT -5
January 9, 2010 is the best weather day we've had. Well the next day wasn't bad, highs in the 40s and where I lived in the far west suburbs we had a freeze. It was awesome. It's not too bad out today...75F and mostly cloudy with a breeze right now. Too humid though.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 16, 2017 15:07:37 GMT -5
I remember going to class on the morning of January 11th and the car thermometer reading 26 F (-3 C) on the way to school, there were frozen puddles everywhere. I know car thermometers aren't anything to go off, but I was still impressed.
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 16, 2017 15:13:49 GMT -5
I remember going to class on the morning of January 11th and the car thermometer reading 26 F (-3 C) on the way to school, there were frozen puddles everywhere. I know car thermometers aren't anything to go off, but I was still impressed. There was isolated frost on the key that morning. I don't think the air temp got to freezing though. Maybe. I was too young to really pay attention to exact temps lol.
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Post by knot on Nov 16, 2017 16:22:47 GMT -5
December 5th, 2013 for the Central Tablelands. Summer snow in the afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 16:27:14 GMT -5
Blah, been there seen that here in Buxton.
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Post by Benfxmth on Sept 30, 2020 9:58:07 GMT -5
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