Post by Steelernation on Jan 20, 2024 3:29:37 GMT -5
My last dream climate as an individual year is an A+…but as a real climate I’d be unhappy with below average or dry winter months. Every single winter month every year wouldn’t magically be in the 50s and 60s most days with occasional extreme temp swings and no sustained cold or dry 20s and 30s. Plus, I’m now realizing I want thunderstorms, rain and more dynamic day to day temps in winter.
So now I came up with a climate where I’d enjoy every month, whether below or above average or dry or wet — the worst offenders would be boring but pleasant and inoffensive.
jk…although I’d still be very happy in that climate with 90-100 thunderstorms a year.
Mean coldest temp in a year is 22, mean hottest temp is 98, mean coldest high is 30, mean warmest low is in the low 60s.
Average is 65 thunderstorms a year, occurring in every month.
My last dream climate as an individual year is an A+…but as a real climate I’d be unhappy with below average or dry winter months. Every single winter month every year wouldn’t magically be in the 50s and 60s most days with occasional extreme temp swings and no sustained cold or dry 20s and 30s. Plus, I’m now realizing I want thunderstorms, rain and more dynamic day to day temps in winter.
So now I came up with a climate where I’d enjoy every month, whether below or above average or dry or wet — the worst offenders would be boring but pleasant and inoffensive.
jk…although I’d still be very happy in that climate with 90-100 thunderstorms a year.
Mean coldest temp in a year is 22, mean hottest temp is 98, mean coldest high is 30, mean warmest low is in the low 60s.
Average is 65 thunderstorms a year, occurring in every month.
Wow! That first climate looks really good IMO (although I'd like a little more sunshine in each month). Easy A-
Steelernation that's a big improvement, glad to see the much warmer winters (but gosh that's a slow spring warm-up).
You had me fooled with the first climate though, which is a lot more to my liking in any case. I actually thought "wow, I actually like Steelernation's dream climate for once!"
You had me fooled with the first climate though, which is a lot more to my liking in any case. I actually thought "wow, I actually like Steelernation's dream climate for once!"
Not sure if I’d miss the snow and seasonality as I’ve never lived somewhere with winters that warm so I wouldn’t call that first climate my dream climate but it’s still very good and what I’d want if I was in the mood for something warmer and stormier.
Post by St. Middleway on Feb 1, 2024 11:05:36 GMT -5
So, this is my current dream climate "in the making".
By which I mean, I have been building it in real time since December 2021, adding to it day by day. It is based on a highly moderated oceanic/subtropical template, and because it only consists so far of two years and two months, the data are pretty irregular/uneven at the moment. It does give a good overall impression of what I like, however. It will be very interesting to see how much more evened out it looks by 2026 and later.
Changed my dream climate a bit, mostly made the summer nights cooler, winters slightly warmer and more variable, and wet fall precip pattern more pronounced
Last Edit: Mar 16, 2024 17:18:03 GMT -5 by arcleov2
About time I'd update it. Gets occasional precip from frontal systems in winter, with thunderstorms possible at any time of year (though of course, least frequent in winter). T-storms of quality occur semi-frequently the warmer time of year, a few times a year you'd get supercells/QLCS but most frequently in the spring months (namely April/May), convective garden-variety thunderstorms are most frequent in summer. I've been liking dryness less than before (and higher dewpoints more than before, though dewpoints tend to be below the long-term average in the hotter days, so the 100+°F highs are more pleasant), so I've increased precip considerably from before, though still with a precip peak in late spring. I've also been less tolerant of cold temps and polar assaults outside winter, so I've increased mean minima in the late spring/summer months. I've also found that warmth in early fall feels great being used to warmer temps, so slowed down cooloff in early fall a bit.
Last Edit: Mar 11, 2024 8:47:51 GMT -5 by Benfxmth
"Above 40 degrees North, there is no Winter warmth; Above 50 degrees North, there is no Summer heat; Above 60 degrees North, there are no Thunderstorms; Above 70 degrees North, there is no Hope." — Benny Boy's adage.
About time I'd update it. Gets occasional precip from frontal systems in winter, with thunderstorms possible at any time of year (though of course, least frequent in winter). T-storms of quality occur semi-frequently the warmer time of year, a few times a year you'd get supercells/QLCS but most frequently in the spring months (namely April/May), convective garden-variety thunderstorms are most frequent in summer. I've been liking dryness less than before (and higher dewpoints more than before, though dewpoints tend to be below the long-term average in the hotter days, so the 100+°F highs are more pleasant), so I've increased precip considerably from before, though still with a precip peak in late spring. I've also been less tolerant of cold temps and polar assaults outside winter, so I've increased mean minima in the late spring/summer months. I've also found that warmth in early fall feels great being used to warmer temps, so slowed down cooloff in early fall a bit.
Looks a lot like one of my climates from "New Florida":
After several days of warm nights in February (> 20ºC), I decided that my heat resistance disappears when sleeping: I prefer a 19ºC room temp. Hence, I lowered the lows; but increased the highs (as I kind of like higher diurnal days). Also, to ensure my grandparents don't get hypothermia in winter, I removed the subfreezing lows (sorry cold lovers) and warmed up the extreme minimums and maximums. Furthermore, this version is drier: with a spring and autumn peak (though no season is that dry). Lastly, I slightly reduced sunshine, as too many sunny days gets a little boring- I like partly cloudy days a lot for some reason- maybe just the variety of cloud types and shapes brings interest? Most days are partly cloudy (like 1/3 cloud, 2/3 clear)
Post by Steelernation on Mar 13, 2024 1:13:29 GMT -5
Mean min: 29 f (9 B) Mean max: 98 f Thunderstorms: 66
Only about 10-12 freezes per year and hard freezes don’t happen most years so there is year round greenery and flowers, shrubs, and some trees bloom even in winter. A rugged 16,000’ mountain range just east of town contains aspens, larches, and ski resorts for reliable fall colors and snow.
Last Edit: Apr 13, 2024 23:58:23 GMT -5 by Steelernation
Mean min: 29 f (9 B) Mean max: 100 f Thunderstorms: 68
Only about 10-12 freezes per year and hard freezes don’t happen most years so there is year round greenery and flowers, shrubs, and some trees bloom even in winter. A rugged 16,000’ mountain range just east of town contains aspens, larches, and ski resorts for reliable fall colors and snow.
it seems like every time you update your dream climate, the winters get milder. 19 inches of snow seems like a lot for winters that mild. How do June and September average a trace of snow with temps that warm?
Also, what is the natural vegetation of Mackenzie itself?
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2024 14:35:13 GMT -5 by coolman18
it seems like every time you update your dream climate, the winters get milder. 19 inches of snow seems like a lot for winters that mild. How do June and September average a trace of snow with temps that warm?
Also, what is the natural vegetation of Mackenzie itself?
Just the last 2 versions. The greenery in California was so nice I realized I want mild enough winters to support that and that as long as there’s snow I have no need for sub-30 temps. I can get that at the ski mountain.
Tottori, Japan gets 11” of snow in December with 52/38 averages. Idyllwild, CA gets 32” of snow a year with a coldest average high of 54, Strawberry Valley gets 82” with a coldest average high of 50. So there’s definite real world precedent for it.
Snow in June and September is extremely rare, occurring maybe once in a couple decades. The trace just shows snow has fallen, but it doesn’t average any.
Not sure exactly what species would grow but vegetation would be similar to central California but with more conifers and fewer deciduous trees outside of the developed area. Generally grassland/savannah in open spots and coniferous forest in shaded areas.
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2024 15:19:29 GMT -5 by Steelernation
was mainly referring to the low temps seeming a bit warm for that much snow. but, if those snow stats for Tottori are true, then I guess this is fairy realistic
Yeah and 38/30 type days can get accumulating snow in many climates. Average lows don’t need to be cold, lows just need to be cold enough on cold days to get snow.