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Post by Ethereal on Nov 14, 2017 9:21:39 GMT -5
Handsome summer rain and thunderstorms = Humid subtropical.
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Post by Babu on Nov 14, 2017 9:39:30 GMT -5
I definitely think it does.
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 10:53:54 GMT -5
Yes, it just squeezes in for me. Oh and I added a poll to settle it for good  |
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Post by Babu on Nov 14, 2017 11:01:11 GMT -5
What do you think of coldest mean + warmest mean >25'C for a Cfa climate?
With the minimum mean being above 0'C of course
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 11:12:32 GMT -5
What do you think of coldest mean + warmest mean >25'C for a Cfa climate? With the minimum mean being above 0'C of course For me any subtropical climate always has to have above 2°C mean in the coldest month to even apply |
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 11:14:57 GMT -5
Yes ! Wash DC mades 13145 on subtropique indice, and Malta only 9987 ! Wash DC is has more subtropique then Malta !
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 11:19:16 GMT -5
Yes ! Wash DC mades 13145 on subtropique indice, and Malta only 9987 ! Wash DC is has more subtropique then Malta ! The poor weather maded Malta cold African rock for disabled homos bro? |
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 11:26:31 GMT -5
That actually wasn't a Junter impression lol
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Post by Ariete on Nov 14, 2017 11:32:07 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 11:33:09 GMT -5
Jajajajajaja bro Lommaren and other junior members don't know hartfordd bro jajajajaja I've heard he's some sort of legend. Does he live near Snowman in Connecticut?  |
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Post by Ariete on Nov 14, 2017 11:37:47 GMT -5
Hartfordd is a Rozenn's henchman.
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 11:38:49 GMT -5
Jajajajajaja bro Lommaren and other junior members don't know hartfordd bro jajajajaja Jajajajajajajaja pathetic bro, Lommaren lives on polar bear wasteland and just got WiFi yesterday jajajajajajajaja he lives with a bunch of habibs. |
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Post by Babu on Nov 14, 2017 11:44:16 GMT -5
What do you think of coldest mean + warmest mean >25'C for a Cfa climate? With the minimum mean being above 0'C of course For me any subtropical climate always has to have above 2°C mean in the coldest month to even apply I think living there from April-October would make you think again. It's gonna be green lawns for like 90% of the days in winter with reasonably mild days and strong sun, and then it's gonna feel properly tropical in the summer, and you're gonna have warm to hot temps even in November. The 25'C agg threshold makes Nelson and Blenheim, as well as NYC the border. I guess you could change the coldest mean to your liking without upsetting the formula though. It does seem to make Portland subtropical though. It doesn't really take into account whether the summer plateaus or peaks short like they do in SoCal vs PNW. Perhaps adding the temps of April and October would solve the issue. Adding April and October to a threshold of 50'C for the aggregation lets Nelson in but cuts off Portland. That's probably better. |
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 11:51:08 GMT -5
Washington, DC is easily a subtropical climate. Warmth dominates throughout the year, summer is a good deal more extreme than winter, etc. Even winter isn't even cold in DC and snow and cold is more fleeting than anything. Sometimes I think the perception of DC is skewed by the fact they get the occasional huge snowstorm, but honestly DC is not that different from a climate like Nashville. It's certainly no Minneapolis.
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 11:53:41 GMT -5
I think living there from April-October would make you think again. It's gonna be green lawns for like 90% of the days in winter with reasonably mild days and strong sun, and then it's gonna feel properly tropical in the summer, and you're gonna have warm to hot temps even in November. The 25'C agg threshold makes Nelson and Blenheim, as well as NYC the border. I guess you could change the coldest mean to your liking without upsetting the formula though. It does seem to make Portland subtropical though. It doesn't really take into account whether the summer plateaus or peaks short like they do in SoCal vs PNW. Perhaps adding the temps of April and October would solve the issue. Portland for me is subtropical. Being 21°C in summer and 5°C in winter is enough for myself on my gradient scale  Having said that, I only now fully grasped what you meant by your system. It's not that bad I guess but you have Turpan as a major case point issue right there. January: -7.6°C July: 32.2°C -7.6 + 32.2 = 25.6° Now that's a major issue, because surely Turpan is not a subtropical climate? But I assume you disqualify any climate beneath 0°C in winter, because NYC Central Park is like 0.5°C something isn't it?  |
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Post by Lommaren on Nov 14, 2017 11:57:30 GMT -5
Washington, DC is easily a subtropical climate. Warmth dominates throughout the year, summer is a good deal more extreme than winter, etc. Even winter isn't even cold in DC and snow and cold is more fleeting than anything. Sometimes I think the perception of DC is skewed by the fact they get the occasional huge snowstorm, but honestly DC is not that different from a climate like Nashville. It's certainly no Minneapolis. My issue for example with Philly as a subtropical climate is that it is too cold in winter for many plants to sustain, whereas Baltimore is a little better in that regard. Something between them is fair to say the line is. I have a unique category for hot-summer climates though, I tend to see those as semi-continental if their coldest individual month (Jan, Feb, Mar, Nov, Dec each year included) falls below -3°C. To be honest I'd prefer all climate classifications to consider full summers and full winters. Norrköping's mean coldest winter month 2002-16 fell from -2.3°C to -4.2°C when I considered Dec-March each year and picked out the coldest. |
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 12:01:13 GMT -5
Philly has plenty of greenery around in winter, it's really not that different from Baltimore. Plus, Philly is quite hot during summer.
I'd say the subtropical/continental line should be somewhere between NYC and Boston. Somewhere within this area snow becomes the dominant form of precipitation as opposed to rain, snow cover lasts a lot longer, less greenery in winter, more moderate summers, summers and winters are more equal, etc.
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Post by Babu on Nov 14, 2017 12:01:20 GMT -5
Adding to my argument for NYC as subtropical, Central Park has the same means throughout the year as Washington DC's airport (slightly cooler speing, slightly warmer fall).  I do not think Long Island or Connecticut are subtropical, but I really think Manhattan is. |
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Post by alex992 on Nov 14, 2017 12:04:12 GMT -5
Adding to my argument for NYC as subtropical, Central Park has the same means throughout the year as Washington DC's airport (slightly cooler speing, slightly warmer fall). I do not think Long Island or Connecticut are subtropical, but I really think Manhattan is. To be fair, Dulles is a station that's in the suburbs/exurbs of DC meanwhile Central Park is right in the middle of the UHI in NYC (though I guess all the trees negate the UHI a bit). A more viable comparison would be Reagan airport in DC versus Central Park or JFK. |
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Post by Babu on Nov 14, 2017 12:31:57 GMT -5
Adding to my argument for NYC as subtropical, Central Park has the same means throughout the year as Washington DC's airport (slightly cooler speing, slightly warmer fall). I do not think Long Island or Connecticut are subtropical, but I really think Manhattan is. To be fair, Dulles is a station that's in the suburbs/exurbs of DC meanwhile Central Park is right in the middle of the UHI in NYC (though I guess all the trees negate the UHI a bit). A more viable comparison would be Reagan airport in DC versus Central Park or JFK. Holy shit. While there was very little difference between JFK and Central Park, the difference between Reagan and Dulles was like 1.5'C to 2'C in every single month means-while |
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