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Post by Moron on Mar 12, 2018 10:43:55 GMT -5
Nah gior choose a smaller club that has success at the moment, Burnley or watford  |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:14:07 GMT -5
Well to be fair I did support Liverpool, Lazio and Malmö equally hardcore when I was... eh... 12  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:18:05 GMT -5
I do also support Wrexham, ofc that's not for glory purposes |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:23:49 GMT -5
I do also support Wrexham, ofc that's not for glory purposes In terms of sporting success they're more like Wrecks Hammered |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:25:30 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:28:21 GMT -5
Chester not gone bust yet? |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Mar 12, 2018 11:32:41 GMT -5
Nah gior choose a smaller club that has success at the moment, Burnley or watford Meh, in England outside the top 6 there aren't really any sides that consistently have success. In La Liga, clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal, Athletic Bilbao, and to a lesser degree Celta Vigo, usually manage to consistently be good, even if they don't win any trophies |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:32:56 GMT -5
Not yet Minutes applause for a deceased former player prior to the match, he famously put us into the lead against Man United in the 90's, although the end result was predictable |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:33:30 GMT -5
Meh, in England outside the top 6 there aren't really any sides that consistently have success. In La Liga, clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal, Athletic Bilbao, and to a lesser degree Celta Vigo, usually manage to consistently be good, even if they don't win any trophies What about your local team NYCFC Gior?  Big fan? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:34:43 GMT -5
Nah gior choose a smaller club that has success at the moment, Burnley or watford Meh, in England outside the top 6 there aren't really any sides that consistently have success. In La Liga, clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal, Athletic Bilbao, and to a lesser degree Celta Vigo, usually manage to consistently be good, even if they don't win any trophies How do you define "success"? I'd say the top 10 of the BPL right now is easily better than the current top 10 in Spain. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:36:37 GMT -5
Premier League have six clubs good enough for the Last 16 of the CL, Spain has five but Italy just two. Kind of embarassing. They also can't wait to trip over themselves in the Europa against random Eastern European teams too.
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Post by Giorbanguly on Mar 12, 2018 11:42:45 GMT -5
Meh, in England outside the top 6 there aren't really any sides that consistently have success. In La Liga, clubs like Valencia, Sevilla, Villarreal, Athletic Bilbao, and to a lesser degree Celta Vigo, usually manage to consistently be good, even if they don't win any trophies How do you define "success"? I'd say the top 10 of the BPL right now is easily better than the current top 10 in Spain. I'd say it's about even at this point, EPL is having a good year right now, but remember that until this year La Liga dominated both the CL and the EL. Celta Vigo made it to the Semis in Europa League last year and gave Manchester United a good fight, but they finished 13th in La Liga. Also EPL outside the top-6 is really inconsistent, you could root for Burnley this year, and they could easily get relegated the next one |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Mar 12, 2018 11:43:54 GMT -5
Premier League have six clubs good enough for the Last 16 of the CL, Spain has five but Italy just two. Kind of embarassing. They also can't wait to trip over themselves in the Europa against random Eastern European teams too. <iframe width="16.100000000000023" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 16.1px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_41412698" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.100000000000023" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 16.1px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 749px; top: -138px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_11618037" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.100000000000023" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 16.1px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59721849" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.100000000000023" height="3.5600000000000023" style="position: absolute; width: 16.1px; height: 3.56px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 749px; top: -14px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_60282967" scrolling="no"></iframe> Italy and Germany have both fallen behind, by a lot too. It's clear that La Liga and EPL are on a completely different level right now |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:45:36 GMT -5
I'd say it's about even at this point, EPL is having a good year right now, but remember that until this year La Liga dominated both the CL and the EL. Celta Vigo made it to the Semis in Europa League last year and gave Manchester United a good fight, but they finished 13th in La Liga. Also EPL outside the top-6 is really inconsistent, you could root for Burnley this year, and they could easily get relegated the next one I think random relegations is part of the charm with the Premier League and also made Serie A very exciting back when only the top 14 out of 18 stayed up. Who would've thought a club like Newcastle could go down twice in a decade for example? When I was 12 they were battling Inter and Barcelona fair and square to go through to the Last 8 of the Champions League. Two years prior before my time, Leeds drew Valencia 0-0 in the first CL semis before slumping to a defeat at Mestalla. Three years later they were gone. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Mar 12, 2018 11:50:07 GMT -5
It's good for charm, but not good for foreign fans looking for a "small" team to root for  Also it's a personal reason, but I think small clubs in La Liga are a lot more charming. I love all those small Basque and Catalan clubs |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:51:09 GMT -5
How do you define "success"? I'd say the top 10 of the BPL right now is easily better than the current top 10 in Spain. I'd say it's about even at this point, EPL is having a good year right now, but remember that until this year La Liga dominated both the CL and the EL. Celta Vigo made it to the Semis in Europa League last year and gave Manchester United a good fight, but they finished 13th in La Liga. Also EPL outside the top-6 is really inconsistent, you could root for Burnley this year, and they could easily get relegated the next one But this year has been a watershed, BPL had 5 teams that legitimately had the quality to be in the last 8 of the CL, and no game in the BPL is a walkover for any team. The vast amounts of TV money, which are distributed relatively evenly throughout the 20 teams, as opposed to the flawed trickle down approach in La Liga, is starting to have a positive impact. The fact that a team like Leciester can quickly go from relegation candidates to champions is surely a good thing? |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:52:25 GMT -5
It's good for charm, but not good for foreign fans looking for a "small" team to root for Also it's a personal reason, but I think small clubs in La Liga are a lot more charming. I love all those small Basque and Catalan clubs Hmm... but Celta were relegated for five years, Sociedad for three, even Atlético (2000-02) for two, and Villarreal went down in 2012, not to mention former heavyweight giant killers Deportivo going down and up again recently Things do happen even in Spain on that front. |
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Post by Giorbanguly on Mar 12, 2018 11:55:02 GMT -5
I'd say it's about even at this point, EPL is having a good year right now, but remember that until this year La Liga dominated both the CL and the EL. Celta Vigo made it to the Semis in Europa League last year and gave Manchester United a good fight, but they finished 13th in La Liga. Also EPL outside the top-6 is really inconsistent, you could root for Burnley this year, and they could easily get relegated the next one But this year has been a watershed, BPL had 5 teams that legitimately had the quality to be in the last 8 of the CL, and no game in the BPL is a walkover for any team. The vast amounts of TV money, which are distributed relatively evenly throughout the 20 teams, as opposed to the flawed trickle down approach in La Liga, is starting to have a positive impact. The fact that a team like Leciester can quickly go from relegation candidates to champions is surely a good thing? Don't get me wrong, I think EPL is much better run and managed than La Liga. EPL also knows how to market itself, which La Liga sucks at. The marketing is shitty enough that even a team that makes the CL final two times in three years is considered a "hipster" team  They really have no idea how to market non-Barca/Real teams |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 11:56:20 GMT -5
But this year has been a watershed, BPL had 5 teams that legitimately had the quality to be in the last 8 of the CL, and no game in the BPL is a walkover for any team. The vast amounts of TV money, which are distributed relatively evenly throughout the 20 teams, as opposed to the flawed trickle down approach in La Liga, is starting to have a positive impact. The fact that a team like Leciester can quickly go from relegation candidates to champions is surely a good thing? Don't get me wrong, I think EPL is much better run and managed than La Liga. EPL also knows how to market itself, which La Liga sucks at. The marketing is shitty enough that even a team that makes the CL final two times in three years is considered a "hipster" team They really have no idea how to market non-Barca/Real teams It's because the entire Spanish football system is geared towards maintaining the dominance of Real Madrid and Barcelona. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 12, 2018 11:57:56 GMT -5
It's because the entire Spanish football system is geared towards maintaining the dominance of Real Madrid and Barcelona. I won the league six times in a row with Celta on FM and all out of a sudden I cracked "the code" after those years and got more TV money than those two since the game thought I was them |
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Big fan?
Also it's a personal reason, but I think small clubs in La Liga are a lot more charming. I love all those small Basque and Catalan clubs
They really have no idea how to market non-Barca/Real teams