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Post by Ariete on Mar 3, 2019 14:23:42 GMT -5
Do Yekaterinburg. It is at 56.5N, so close enough. Incomplete data on Infoclimat and don't exist on Météo Climat, would it be on Ogimet somewhere perhaps?
Yes: 28440, "Ekaterinburg".
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 3, 2019 14:25:29 GMT -5
Do Grimstad (Landvik station). It's 58 N. Alternatively, Torungen lght near Arendal, recording since 1867. Or Lyngør. Both at 58 N.
No-one did Stavanger or Kristiansand at least for this millennium alone though? I'm not well-versed enough in Eklima to really dig into those others. Of course my Norwegian is good enough for it so maybe I should. I'm not sure I've regged an account yet though. That being said, settlements interest me a lot more than lighthouse climates, as mild as they may be 
Either way, Ariete, there's no precipitation included in the raw data for Yekaterinburg on Ogimet and that site forces me to manually calculate every day (unlike Météo Climat) which sort of is a problem :/ I've done that to figure out Oxelösund's modern averages and it took me several days to that stuff by calculator and would also do that on Excel. Having said that, I've found one a lot closer to Scandinavia on a similar latitude to Stockholm that I'll give a go tonight! |
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Post by Nidaros on Mar 3, 2019 14:48:57 GMT -5
Do Grimstad (Landvik station). It's 58 N. Alternatively, Torungen lght near Arendal, recording since 1867. Or Lyngør. Both at 58 N.
No-one did Stavanger or Kristiansand at least for this millennium alone though? I'm not well-versed enough in Eklima to really dig into those others. Of course my Norwegian is good enough for it so maybe I should. I'm not sure I've regged an account yet though. That being said, settlements interest me a lot more than lighthouse climates, as mild as they may be
Yeah, lighthouses are mild in winter, but summer highs are suppressed. Landvik/Grimstad is a town though. Mandal is another town, southernmost in Norway, a fairly oceanic climate but not like Stavanger. |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 3, 2019 14:57:57 GMT -5
Hadn't heard of either place so I assumed they were ultra-maritime archipelago climates. Mandal has been on Infoclimat since 2005, so if it's on Ogimet for 2002-04 it might be a realistic thing to do. 2005-18 would do but it's not an ideal reference timeframe.
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Post by Nidaros on Mar 3, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -5
Hadn't heard of either place so I assumed they were ultra-maritime archipelago climates. Mandal has been on Infoclimat since 2005, so if it's on Ogimet for 2002-04 it might be a realistic thing to do. 2005-18 would do but it's not an ideal reference timeframe. Hmm seems the weather station in Mandal is on an island as the data looks lighthouse-like, very maritime .. 
Landvik/Grimstad would be more interesting it seems. Sarpsborg /Fredrikstad at 59 N (112,000).
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Post by Babu on Mar 3, 2019 16:36:54 GMT -5
Hadn't heard of either place so I assumed they were ultra-maritime archipelago climates. Mandal has been on Infoclimat since 2005, so if it's on Ogimet for 2002-04 it might be a realistic thing to do. 2005-18 would do but it's not an ideal reference timeframe. Hmm seems the weather station in Mandal is on an island as the data looks lighthouse-like, very maritime ..
Landvik/Grimstad would be more interesting it seems. Sarpsborg /Fredrikstad at 59 N (112,000).
The data only takes like a minute to look up. Why don't you do it instead of Lommaren? High/low 2002-2018 at Landvik. Very large diurnal range in winter.   Also, what the hell is wrong with Eklima and data availability? What the hell are you supposed to do with this data?  |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 3, 2019 19:18:53 GMT -5
Vologda, a city large enough for a UHI, some 300 k inhabitants, temperatures 2002-2018, at 59.14°N, in other words very equal with Stockholm. Sunshine statistics were intermittently available but looked a little bit dodgy, while precipitation stats weren't, so I used the old averages for both of them as a reference to what this climate usually renders and how winter diurnals could be so low. Summer diurnals were larger due to the much sunnier weather. The first half of this, it was more continental than it ultimately turned out to be, both in summer and winter. As it is, 23.7/12.6 is warm for its latitude in Scandinavia, but a bit below Stockholm for overall means. Winters are very unlike anything seen in Scandinavia however, with the low diurnal swings and such cold temperatures at the lower latitude.
In comparison to the 1981-2010 normals, it doesn't show that much of an overall warming at all though. 1°C milder nights but equal overall annual mean highs, with vast proportions of the first half of the year actually declining for highs. The end of the year usually showed the opposite trend, so it got less front-loaded, besides the odd month that was May.
 Anyway, interesting climate? Ariete . It definitely feels like it has a lot of shades of 62°N Finland with even stronger seasonal shifts. I would also assume this is one of the better climates in Europe for 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 ? |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 3, 2019 19:38:25 GMT -5
Damn that is a perfect climate Lommaren. Outside of east Asia/North America that is. |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 4, 2019 10:12:44 GMT -5
Pretty much as I excepted.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 4, 2019 13:02:43 GMT -5
Kolmården 2002-2018, a hilly forest section in between Norrköping and Nyköping. Less of a cold desert than either Köping, so thoughts on this one 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 and knot ? Since it's a bit elevated, average highs are lower than in Norrköping but interestingly lows are mild year round.  |
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Post by knot on Mar 4, 2019 13:12:23 GMT -5
^Rubbish climate; its winters are somewhat fine, but its crummers are downright catastrophic.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 4, 2019 13:14:28 GMT -5
It's a bit boring like most Swedish climates. A lowest average low of -4.6C is pretty mild.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 4, 2019 17:24:37 GMT -5
🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 and knot again, thoughts on St. John's 2002-2018?  Milder year round, especially summer nights. More precipitation and a lot of sleet and slush in winter in between the blizzards and the Atlantic storms. Then of course "les crummeur deluxe" that sees front-loaded July days and back-loaded August nights to make it even more confusing. I'd reckon winters would really suit both of you though! The interesting part of the summer is that Nain and Kuujjuaq of all places have similar annual maximums.  Also, Giorbanguly , what's the grade for this one? March there makes Binghamton look subtropique, not to mention no May during this timeframe reached 8.6°C means! Absolutely hammered by cold rain between the 300-350 cm of snow per winter too! So for me, although it has improved somewhat from 1981-2010, stops at a D- compared to the E+ it used to be.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 4, 2019 17:35:41 GMT -5
Since it's a bit elevated, average highs are lower than in Norrköping but interestingly lows are mild year round.
What's the elevation? 50 m?
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Post by knot on Mar 4, 2019 17:38:36 GMT -5
Lommaren Beautiful winters, with poor (albeit variable) crummers.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 4, 2019 17:57:42 GMT -5
Since it's a bit elevated, average highs are lower than in Norrköping but interestingly lows are mild year round.
What's the elevation? 50 m?
Kolmården is a higher forest than people think, that being said SMHI reports it being at 153 m asl, which would seem unlikely given the village of Strömfors that it's named after is at half of that elevation. Even so, where SMHI places the station on the interactive map is at the inland side of the E4 motorway, where the elevation actually matches that on the satellite maps! So it's a temperature inversion site on many occasions and has a significant orography, hence it being much rainier and snowier than either of the Köpings are. It was set up in 1995 so it doesn't have long-term data, but for it to match Norrköping so closely in July since it was set up is definitely rather interesting. Hopefully it's not ran by a local Botev though...
Since you're fluent in Swedish here's the SMHI Open Data page so you can look it up for yourself if you want to:
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Post by Ariete on Mar 4, 2019 18:10:17 GMT -5
Kolmården is a higher forest than people think, that being said SMHI reports it being at 153 m asl, which would seem unlikely given the village of Strömfors that it's named after is at half of that elevation. Even so, where SMHI places the station on the interactive map is at the inland side of the E4 motorway, where the elevation actually matches that on the satellite maps! So it's a temperature inversion site on many occasions and has a significant orography, hence it being much rainier and snowier than either of the Köpings are. It was set up in 1995 so it doesn't have long-term data, but for it to match Norrköping so closely in July since it was set up is definitely rather interesting. Hopefully it's not ran by a local Botev though...
Since you're fluent in Swedish here's the SMHI Open Data page so you can look it up for yourself if you want to:
My point is that small differences in elevation alone isn't a sole reason for this and that. Lappeenranta Lepola is at 115 m ASL, and it's 10 m higher than the airport station. Helsinki Kaisaniemi is at 4 m and the airport is at 51 m. Differences at those altitudes are generally irrelevant.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Mar 4, 2019 19:22:04 GMT -5
🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 and knot again, thoughts on St. John's 2002-2018? Milder year round, especially summer nights. More precipitation and a lot of sleet and slush in winter in between the blizzards and the Atlantic storms. Then of course "les crummeur deluxe" that sees front-loaded July days and back-loaded August nights to make it even more confusing. I'd reckon winters would really suit both of you though! The interesting part of the summer is that Nain and Kuujjuaq of all places have similar annual maximums. Also, Giorbanguly , what's the grade for this one? March there makes Binghamton look subtropique, not to mention no May during this timeframe reached 8.6°C means! Absolutely hammered by cold rain between the 300-350 cm of snow per winter too! So for me, although it has improved somewhat from 1981-2010, stops at a D- compared to the E+ it used to be. Solid B rating and it is better than Halifax I believe, although Truro, NS is better than Halifax. I MUCH prefer Gaspé, Charlottetown, and Moncton though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 14:14:03 GMT -5
 seems quite plausible, since the 1961-1990 normal was 6.3C and 984mm. |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 5, 2019 14:22:07 GMT -5
seems quite plausible, since the 1961-1990 normal was 6.3C and 984mm.
Terrible crummers and winters and precipitation. Boke.
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Milder year round, especially summer nights. More precipitation and a lot of sleet and slush in winter in between the blizzards and the Atlantic storms. Then of course "les crummeur deluxe" that sees front-loaded July days and back-loaded August nights to make it even more confusing. I'd reckon winters would really suit both of you though! The interesting part of the summer is that Nain and Kuujjuaq of all places have similar annual maximums.