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Post by Ariete on Apr 9, 2019 19:46:13 GMT -5
Not bad! Could be quite a bit warmer in the summer, but I like the long, cold and snowy winters. I give it a B-.
Sure, but if you want even slightly warmer crummers in Finland the winters would be close to Turdku semi-oceanic ones.
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Post by alex992 on Apr 9, 2019 19:49:53 GMT -5
Not bad! Could be quite a bit warmer in the summer, but I like the long, cold and snowy winters. I give it a B-.
Sure, but if you want even slightly warmer crummers in Finland the winters would be close to Turdku semi-oceanic ones.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 11:25:14 GMT -5
Österforse/Sollefteå Babu . Under 1:10 or thereabouts, I'd estimate snowfall to be around 150-175 cm on average. Sunshine is most likely in between 1,700 and 1,800 hours being east of the mountains.
Edit, montly means added.  Also, thoughts 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , Speagles84 ?  |
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Post by Speagles84 on Apr 10, 2019 11:34:09 GMT -5
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 11:39:55 GMT -5
What I'm mainly impressed with is that Österforse reaches 30°C on average in a year in spite of its high latitude and maritime influence. It's slightly better than Umeå for me given its warmth potential, so I'll have to go with a D- even though winters are a bit too cold and shoulder seasons unsatisfactory. It's also rather interesting how the yearly mean max is 30.1°C, yet the all-time record is 32.7°C for 118 years, which is rather remarkable in how close it is without actually exceeding 33°C at any time whatsoever. Unstable, yet somehow stable through the back door...
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 10, 2019 11:54:02 GMT -5
B+
Not much to complain about there but I would prefer warmer summers with a bit more rain.
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Post by Babu on Apr 10, 2019 12:05:50 GMT -5
Österforse/Sollefteå Babu . Under 1:10 or thereabouts, I'd estimate snowfall to be around 175 cm on average. Sunshine is most likely in between 1,700 and 1,800 hours being east of the mountains.  Also, thoughts 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , Speagles84 ? Nice work, but your snowfall totals seem sketchy to me. Umeå's average maximum snow depth is like 50cm, at least since 2002, and I highly doubt that 100cm of snow would be able to melt during December-March. I'd estimate it to be less than 120cm for Umeå. Looking at Sollefteå, using 10:1 ratios, I'd estimate November to get about 15cm of snow, December 30, January 30, February 20, and March 15. That's 110cm, add maybe 5cm to April and October each and you've got 120cm. Remember that the wettest Novembers and Decembers tend to be mild months with many centimeters of liquid rain, bringing up the average. Snowy months are drier on average. |
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 12:10:26 GMT -5
Nice work, but your snowfall totals seem sketchy to me. Umeå's average maximum snow depth is like 50cm, at least since 2002, and I highly doubt that 100cm of snow would be able to melt during December-March. I'd estimate it to be less than 120cm for Umeå. Looking at Sollefteå, using 10:1 ratios, I'd estimate November to get about 15cm of snow, December 30, January 30, February 20, and March 15. That's 110cm, add maybe 5cm to April and October each and you've got 120cm. Remember that the wettest Novembers and Decembers tend to be mild months with many centimeters of liquid rain, bringing up the average. Snowy months are drier on average. In Nyköping, the correlation between precipitation and mild temperatures are quite low, but it might work differently farther north. For example, January here this year was -1/-4 but only had one miniscule rainfall, the rest fell as snow, about 40 cm. Snow depth could of course be influenced by mild temperatures after the snowfalls as well as being naturally contracted. Maybe a middle ground between 120 cm and 175 cm would make sense, but SMHI don't make it easy since they go out of their way to measure snowfall as little as possible even in Norrland.
For Norrköping between 1991-2018 I'd estimate about 70 cm of snowfall annually, but for Nyköping a touch above 75 cm, living here and knowing how prone it is to get it in marginal cases. Much of it washes away within a day or two though.
Norrland does often seem to get mild spells that might not erase the snowpacks, but substantially dwindle their heights, and that's probably why a median between a conservative and expansive estimate is the way forward, although winter rain seems to be a fair bit more common in relation to the averages than it is here* Different patterns for different regions. It might have a lot to do with the actual shorter distance to the Gulf Stream.
* winter rain is less common than people would expect for Mälardalen's averages.
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Post by knot on Apr 10, 2019 15:29:19 GMT -5
Österforse/Sollefteå Babu . Under 1:10 or thereabouts, I'd estimate snowfall to be around 150-175 cm on average. Sunshine is most likely in between 1,700 and 1,800 hours being east of the mountains.
Edit, montly means added. Also, thoughts 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot , Speagles84 ? Boring, stable summers; cold, dry, boring winters; C. |
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Post by Ariete on Apr 10, 2019 16:17:13 GMT -5
This is a box I've wanted to do for a long time, but damn as the FMI haven't been able to settle for a placement of the weather station. Porvoo (SWE: Borgå, LAT: Borgoa) is one of the oldest cities in Finland and its medieval old town is a big tourist attraction, though hardly any medieval buildings remain as the Danish burned it down in the early 1500s. It's 47 km east from Helsinki by air, 51 km by road. Anyway, finally here it is, and in first time in WWF history, the station clarifications didn't fit in one line.
It's pretty much what Helsinki Centre would be if it was behind an archipelago.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 10, 2019 16:41:15 GMT -5
What a mess the FMI made of that one! Anyway, it's a D+.
Really good July's and solid, stable winters with quite a bit of snowfall, but March ruins the whole thing altogether. June is a bit on the weak side too, whereas most other months pass the "C" test.
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Post by Ariete on Apr 10, 2019 23:48:01 GMT -5
Turku Botev! Yeah, you all have massive 10 million population UHIs or/and poorly placed weather stations, I have a lighthouse. And as Rajakari is within city limits, it's totally free for grabs.
Take that Stockholm Osservatorio!
I know I should've used Rajakari's highs for late autumn and winter, but whatever. It's enough Botev as it is.
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 11, 2019 9:17:09 GMT -5
^ That was so Botev I just started humming "Smells Like Teen Spirit" out of nowhere Anyway, here's Falsterbo 2002-2018, Sweden's paradis océanique. Babu , including contemporary sunshine too! What are your thoughts on it with full data? Also, tij , do you like it?
It's worth adding that the coldest temperature recorded through the past 17 years was a mere -13.2°C.
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Post by Babu on Apr 11, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -5
It got a decent July boost. Broke 500mm by a decent margin too. Used to be 490mm
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 11, 2019 9:44:25 GMT -5
It got a decent July boost. Broke 500mm by a decent margin too. Used to be 490mm Satisfied with the sunshine amount? Very similar to my region in that aspect, although it's about as misdistributed as Seattle in spite of the dry winters and the lower latitude than Nyköping and Umeå. |
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Post by Babu on Apr 11, 2019 9:47:34 GMT -5
It got a decent July boost. Broke 500mm by a decent margin too. Used to be 490mm Satisfied with the sunshine amount? Very similar to my region in that aspect, although it's about as misdistributed as Seattle in spite of the dry winters and the lower latitude than Nyköping and Umeå. I already knew it had 1902h for 02-16 so it's not like its sunshine total brought any sort of reaction from me. It is a little disappointing considering a similar geography in the Baltic would yield 100-150h more. |
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Post by tij on Apr 11, 2019 10:17:06 GMT -5
Lommaren I dont know how I feel about the low diurnal ranges... summer avg temps seem nice but idk if 60/70 and 55/75 feel comparable? Precip is also too low and summer heavy-- suggesting this climate is continental that is moderated by the ocean rather than oceanic proper. I appreciate milder winters, but feel that Lund would be a better choice in this case for the diurnal range. i think its a C, its too cool for me
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Post by Lommaren on Apr 15, 2019 14:17:12 GMT -5
Örebro 2002-2018. Looks rather good for Scandinavia to me. What about Babu , 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot and tij ? Örebro is more snow-prone than Borås is, partially because it's colder and secondly because it's largely immune from westerly rainfalls. That means snowfall is around 90-95 cm annually in spite of the drier winters. Sunshine is probably around 1,800 hours, being inland but at the same time near the Mälar valley. Summers see rather frequent thunderstorms and heavy rainfall by Swedish standards.  For me it's a C- in a virtual tie with Nyköping. It's slightly less sunny and August is worse, otherwise it could've won. |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Apr 15, 2019 16:10:44 GMT -5
Looks like the rainy one. Not much different to me.
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Post by knot on Apr 15, 2019 17:17:56 GMT -5
Örebro 2002-2018. Looks rather good for Scandinavia to me. What about Babu , 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 , knot and tij ? Örebro is more snow-prone than Borås is, partially because it's colder and secondly because it's largely immune from westerly rainfalls. That means snowfall is around 90-95 cm annually in spite of the drier winters. Sunshine is probably around 1,800 hours, being inland but at the same time near the Mälar valley. Summers see rather frequent thunderstorms and heavy rainfall by Swedish standards. For me it's a C- in a virtual tie with Nyköping. It's slightly less sunny and August is worse, otherwise it could've won. Very weak B–; Winters too dry; summers too boring and stable (only August is any good). |
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