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Post by Ariete on Feb 19, 2021 14:01:20 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. Technically a place can be csb and cwb at the same time. Cswb maybe? The s classification only requires that the driest high-sun month has 1/3 the precipitation the wettest low-sun month and less than 30mm. If March is 10mm, April 10mm, September 60mm and October 30mm, that's both s and w at the same time technically speaking.
I'm pretty confident that not even Köppen was that idiotic. What he likely meant was that the driest high-sun must have less than 30 mm of precipitation, and the wettest month must be in the winter, and have at least 3 times the precipitation than the driest summer month. Otherwise the whole sub-classification makes absolutely no sense. Turku would've been csb last year, because June and August have below 30 mm, and less than 1/3 of February. But as July has 116 mm, it can't possibly be a "dry-summer mediterranean climate".
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Post by Babu on Feb 19, 2021 14:22:57 GMT -5
Doesn't matter. Technically a place can be csb and cwb at the same time. Cswb maybe? The s classification only requires that the driest high-sun month has 1/3 the precipitation the wettest low-sun month and less than 30mm. If March is 10mm, April 10mm, September 60mm and October 30mm, that's both s and w at the same time technically speaking.
I'm pretty confident that not even Köppen was that idiotic. What he likely meant was that the driest high-sun must have less than 30 mm of precipitation, and the wettest month must be in the winter, and have at least 3 times the precipitation than the driest summer month. Otherwise the whole sub-classification makes absolutely no sense. Turku would've been csb last year, because June and August have below 30 mm, and less than 1/3 of February. But as July has 116 mm, it can't possibly be a "dry-summer mediterranean climate".
Possible, someone would have to look into that. As to your example classifications aren't given to single years. Now if a place actually had 2020 as an average, what would the classification be? Cfb? |
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Post by Ariete on Feb 19, 2021 14:24:02 GMT -5
Possible, someone would have to look into that. As to your example classifications aren't given to single years. Now if a place actually had 2020 as an average, what would the classification be? Cfb?
Well I'm pretty damn sure. And Cfb of course.
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 22, 2021 17:07:51 GMT -5
Narynkol, the highest town in Kazakhstan, at 1800 m. Precipitation data may be a little off. I've noticed that former Soviet states tend to include some strange values as a way of displaying a data error and it can be difficult to tell the errors from the real values.  |
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 26, 2021 0:35:20 GMT -5
A high elevation frost hollow in New Mexico, located at the bottom of Valles Caldera at 8500 ft. These averages place it ahead of Eagle Nest for having the coldest lows in the state. Photo of the station |
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Post by Babu on Feb 26, 2021 3:08:24 GMT -5
A high elevation frost hollow in New Mexico, located at the bottom of Valles Caldera at 8500 ft. These averages place it ahead of Eagle Nest for having the coldest lows in the state. Photo of the stationWould be pretty nice with "normal" lows! |
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Post by tommyFL on Mar 5, 2021 3:38:28 GMT -5
I found this odd climate in Catalonia with wet summers and dry winters. Not too bad for a Spanish climate! Source
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Post by Babu on Mar 5, 2021 3:44:41 GMT -5
I found this odd climate in Catalonia with wet summers and dry winters. Not too bad for a Spanish climate! Source
Didn't notice the remarkably cool lows and means at first. 30.5'C highs with 95mm precipitation, yet still not Cfa. Pretty ridiculous |
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Post by tommyFL on Mar 5, 2021 4:01:05 GMT -5
I found this odd climate in Catalonia with wet summers and dry winters. Not too bad for a Spanish climate! Source
Didn't notice the remarkably cool lows and means at first. 30.5'C highs with 95mm precipitation, yet still not Cfa. Pretty ridiculous What's odd is the mean temp is not the average of high and low. It must be calculated by some other method. If high+low / 2 is used, it becomes Cfa. |
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Post by Babu on Mar 5, 2021 7:39:49 GMT -5
Didn't notice the remarkably cool lows and means at first. 30.5'C highs with 95mm precipitation, yet still not Cfa. Pretty ridiculous What's odd is the mean temp is not the average of high and low. It must be calculated by some other method. If high+low / 2 is used, it becomes Cfa. I think it's quite uncommon for met agencies to actually use max/min means. Either 24h mean or some algorithm taking all the daily temp values into consideration are most common. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Mar 7, 2021 15:10:59 GMT -5
Found this place today and changed the table to a wiki box. It's a ski resort north of Marrakesh Morocco. Best African climate? Summer is lacking but it gets more snow and less cold rain than Ifrane.  If I'm reading it right, sunshine hours are from a single 12-month period. The pattern doesn't match a mediterranean climate, but they think it's reasonable.
The last sentence, roughly translated: The transparency of the air in winter and the frequency in summer of rising clouds not necessarily bringing rain can explain these differences (why sunshine is higher in winter than summer).
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Post by tommyFL on Mar 8, 2021 3:46:06 GMT -5
After a while of searching, I finally settled on my favorite climate in Mexico.  |
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Post by Steelernation on Mar 8, 2021 23:46:42 GMT -5
 The wiki box is very low information and rounded—I’m banned from editing but someone should replace it with this box. |
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Post by tommyFL on Mar 9, 2021 23:52:44 GMT -5
The American Turpan?  |
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Post by jgtheone on Apr 10, 2021 0:13:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 12:08:41 GMT -5
Last 10 years in London (should say 2011-2020). Warmer, wetter and sunnier than the 91-20 average.  |
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Post by knot on May 13, 2021 21:29:44 GMT -5
Made a climate box for perhaps the drizzliest region in Australia— the Hartz Mountains. Averaging 250 precip days for just 1,072 mm @ Keoghs Pimple (831 m and operating since 1996).  |
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Post by tommyFL on May 15, 2021 20:36:11 GMT -5
Almost looks fake  |
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Post by tommyFL on May 30, 2021 1:05:40 GMT -5
One of the better Bolivian climates. Short POR and some of the record lows may be off. I had to pick and choose which looked legit and which were obvious errors.  |
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