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Post by Lommaren on Jun 2, 2018 16:22:25 GMT -5
63°N vs 44°N; Gulf Stream vs Siberia in Far East Russia. For me Spassk-Dalny wins by a quite handsome margin. While winters are far too severe for my liking, the perpetual gloominess at 63°N coupled with a wet-snow variety of Nyköping temperatures would drive me just as insane. Then Spassk-Dalny follows up with some gorgeous summer temps (25/16 is perfection), although it's likely to be quite cloudy in summer, with the bulk of Primorskiy Krai's sunshine instead coming in the lower-sun half of the year. At 44°N that would make the -11°C afternoon highs in winter seem far less severe than they are before the darkness comes and pulls a plug on that illusion. Spassk-Dalny does receive enough snowfall to have a solid cover, although not extremely deep in winter. Maybe 100 cm of snowfall or thereabouts. Trondheim will receive more (I'd estimate around 130-140 cm) but at the weather station it will have issues to stick properly on many occasions due to the persistent highs above freezing. Annual sunshine probably 2,2-2,3 k for Spassk-Dalny and lower 1000's for Trondheim. Maybe 1,400 courtesy of a shielded coastal position? Not sure.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 16:35:05 GMT -5
Trondheim, better than Spasstik-Dalny
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Post by Giorbanguly on Jun 2, 2018 16:53:52 GMT -5
Spassk-Dallniy. Those winters are brutal, but it has a lot more comfortable months. Probably much sunnier too
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Post by Nidaros on Jun 2, 2018 16:58:04 GMT -5
Only two years with a sunrecorder without serious blocking issues gives an average of ca 1585 sunhrs annually in Trondheim. This years has started with more sun than the previous two years.
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 2, 2018 16:59:12 GMT -5
Only two years with a sunrecorder without serious blocking issues gives an average of ca 1585 sunhrs annually in Trondheim. This years has started with more sun than the previous two years. 1981-2010 was a cloudier time in Scandinavia though compared to these record-setting years lately so high 1400's would appear fair, wouldn't it? |
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Post by Steelernation on Jun 2, 2018 16:59:39 GMT -5
Spassk-Dalny for the warmer summers and for being drier.
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Post by Nidaros on Jun 2, 2018 17:03:47 GMT -5
Only two years with a sunrecorder without serious blocking issues gives an average of ca 1585 sunhrs annually in Trondheim. This years has started with more sun than the previous two years. 1981-2010 was a cloudier time in Scandinavia though compared to these record-setting years lately so high 1400's would appear fair, wouldn't it? Only time will show.
Remember that even very coastal Stavanger had 1513 hrs years back in the cloudy days, because that sunrecorder did not have blocking issues - Stavanger area is pretty flat.
The data I have given is the data we have. The previous recording had serious blocking issues and is disregarded even by our met office. |
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 2, 2018 17:06:01 GMT -5
Only time will show.
Remember that even very coastal Stavanger had 1513 hrs years back in the cloudy days, because that sunrecorder did not have blocking issues - Stavanger area is pretty flat.
The data I have given is the data we have. The previous recording had serious blocking issues and is disregarded even by our met office. Which is the better climate then? Trondheim or the Siberian low-latitude one? |
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Post by Babu on Jun 2, 2018 17:11:03 GMT -5
Only two years with a sunrecorder without serious blocking issues gives an average of ca 1585 sunhrs annually in Trondheim. This years has started with more sun than the previous two years. What was the location for the sun recorder? Sun below like 5° won't record sunshine either way, and you'd need pretty tall mountains pretty close up to reach that angle of view. |
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Post by Nidaros on Jun 3, 2018 4:09:29 GMT -5
Only two years with a sunrecorder without serious blocking issues gives an average of ca 1585 sunhrs annually in Trondheim. This years has started with more sun than the previous two years. What was the location for the sun recorder? Sun below like 5° won't record sunshine either way, and you'd need pretty tall mountains pretty close up to reach that angle of view. Another claim by Baba that is...inaccurate.
On Dec 10th, 2017, 3.4 sunhours was recorded in Trondheim. The following day, Dec 11th, saw 3.2 sunhours recorded.
Daylenght on these days are just 5 h 17 min, and the sun altitude maximum is 4°.
Dec 26th - 2.6 sunhrs - that's with a max sun altitude of ca 3°
Dec 29th - 2.1 sunhrs
Dec 30th - 2.8 sunhrs
and so on...
Much of the old data was collected at Voll, where there is a hill to the south and southeast, just a stone throw away...cray to place sunrecorder just north of a hill with our low sun altitude in winter.
An interesting question is how much pollution/aerosols will influense the sun's strength at low sun altitudes. I'm sure the very polluted Chinese megacities would need a higher sun altitude for the sun's rays to be strong enough to be recorded by a sun recorder. Maybe 5° altitude is more correct there?
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Post by Lommaren on Jun 3, 2018 5:31:42 GMT -5
What does the one and only knot think of this battle between squally/damp vs cold desert?  |
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Post by knot on Jun 3, 2018 5:38:49 GMT -5
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Post by alex992 on Jun 3, 2018 12:57:24 GMT -5
Spassk-Dalny easily.
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Post by nei on Jun 3, 2018 14:10:14 GMT -5
Trondheim, barely. Spassk-Dalny is too cold in the winter.
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Post by irlinit on Jun 3, 2018 15:25:59 GMT -5
Two shit climates, I wouldn’t move to either even if my salary increased 5-fold 🤢🤮😡😡
The Russian one wins though, despite the polar winters it at least has some warm weather
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Post by grega94 on Jun 3, 2018 18:01:26 GMT -5
I voted for Spassk-Dalny, it's got a warmer spring, summer, and fall, so it wins for me.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Jun 3, 2018 22:59:48 GMT -5
A+ vs a solid C
The Russian one has quite a nice climate I daresay.
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Post by boombo on Jun 7, 2018 18:24:21 GMT -5
Spassk-Dalny just, it only gets three months of  -tier cold weather and the rest of the year seems decent, plus there's plenty of sun to take the edge off those winters. There's not enough to look forward to in Trondheim, even if their forecasts do look better than mine impressively often for somewhere that's both also oceanic and nearly 10 degrees further north than me. |
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Post by Morningrise on Jun 8, 2018 17:51:12 GMT -5
Spassk-Dalny by far. It's essentially my current climate but with warmer lows and wetter summers, both of which are improvements.
Trondheim is just too cool in the summer, too wet most of the year considering the temperatures, and much too gloomy for my liking (not to mention way further north so much weaker sun and shorter days in the winter).
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Post by Hlidskjalf on Jun 9, 2018 8:04:51 GMT -5
After thinking about this for some time, I'll choose Trondheim. Yes the summer isn't exactly like Copa Cabana Beach, but it's less likely to freeze to death in the winter months.
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