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Post by nei on Jun 16, 2019 16:31:28 GMT -5
alright then this guy is a moron or a crank, or both. wtf. A written article would work far better than a video. I don't see any reason why one random YouTube guy is more trustworthy than decades of scientific works on atmospheric science saying the exact opposite. What next, should I take seriously a video that plate tectonics is incorrect? You could at least watch the video and disprove what he says. I'm not saying he is 100% correct (or at all) but it's an interesting notion. I watched a few minutes, didn't feel like watching all of time, and going through the effort of disproving it. What I saw I didn't find particularly interesting, his claim just reeked of bad science. Couple of impressions that felt off. Maybe I'll watch more, given urania93 's summary, it sounds like the video creator is confused and watching the video would be a waste of time. - The initial references he chose for Venus' greenhouse were mostly by scientists involved in global warming reserach and debate. Initial theory and work is from plantary scientists earlier than the ones he chose, felt like he was picking ones to tie to current climate change to make it sound more controversial.
- He claimed there was problems in greenhouse gases in explaining in Venus' heat; never heard about that before; wished he gave a citation.
- The CO2 being supercritical it was no longer a greenhouse gas made little sense, couldn't remember for sure but thought it shouldn't decrease the absorption properties. urania93 agrees
here's one of the earlier papers on Venus' greenhouse gases: journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469%281969%29026%3C1191%3ATRGAHO%3E2.0.CO%3B2 |
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Post by srfoskey on Jun 16, 2019 16:46:38 GMT -5
In addition to all that, his law about the universal adiabatic compression causing heating or whatever doesn't make sense to me because in the Earth's atmosphere there is warming with altitude in the stratosphere because of the ozone layer (ozone is a greenhouse gas). Maybe he tried to debunk that in another video, but he didn't there.
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Post by Ariete on Jun 16, 2019 17:20:20 GMT -5
The anti climate change squad have some impressive credentials, though:
- one is a drunkard whose expertise is his own defecation, Family Guy and drunken rants. I doubt this person has read a book in a decade or have any knowledge of anything
- the second one is an asocial moron who thinks women shouldn't be able to vote, believes in ancient and current aliens and thinks coffee is the "meth of the government"
- the third one is a peasant who was supposedly home-schooled by his parents. I doubt he was schooled at all, astonished that this serf is literate. neither do I think he has ever left his own country
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Post by knot on Jun 16, 2019 17:32:38 GMT -5
The anti climate change squad have some impressive credentials, though:
- one is a drunkard whose expertise is his own defecation, Family Guy and drunken rants. I doubt this person has read a book in a decade or have any knowledge of anything
- the second one is an asocial moron who thinks women shouldn't be able to vote, believes in ancient and current aliens and thinks coffee is the "meth of the government"
- the third one is a peasant who was supposedly home-schooled by his parents. I doubt he was schooled at all, astonished that this serf is literate. neither do I think he has ever left his own country
Awwww, have a medal.  And you are the millennial cry-baby stereotype incarnate of this forum—congratulations! Your religion is failing, buddy; I wouldn't be so confident if I were you.  |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Jun 16, 2019 17:41:18 GMT -5
Why are you a mod again Ariete? |
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Post by Donar on Jun 16, 2019 17:46:39 GMT -5
Doom is two decades overdue! I say double the carbon taxes! We must do something!  You have already posted that dumb article a few months ago and pretty much ignored my critique. Further proof that you are just a mindless spambot. |
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Post by Hiromant on Jun 17, 2019 1:18:15 GMT -5
The anti climate change squad have some impressive credentials, though:
- one is a drunkard whose expertise is his own defecation, Family Guy and drunken rants. I doubt this person has read a book in a decade or have any knowledge of anything
- the second one is an asocial moron who thinks women shouldn't be able to vote, believes in ancient and current aliens and thinks coffee is the "meth of the government"
- the third one is a peasant who was supposedly home-schooled by his parents. I doubt he was schooled at all, astonished that this serf is literate. neither do I think he has ever left his own country
Yeah yeah yeah. Here's mine: you're an inner city hipster with the testosterone level of an 85 year old who promotes mass immigration yet complains about Estonian immigrants, all of whom you voluntarily accepted. Your intellectual development is on the beer-and-sports level so you don't even try to keep up with the rest of the forum and simply spam ridicule and personal attacks whenever possible. You are unfit to be a mod to say the least. |
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Post by P London on Jun 17, 2019 2:09:04 GMT -5
The anti climate change squad have some impressive credentials, though:
- one is a drunkard whose expertise is his own defecation, Family Guy and drunken rants. I doubt this person has read a book in a decade or have any knowledge of anything
- the second one is an asocial moron who thinks women shouldn't be able to vote, believes in ancient and current aliens and thinks coffee is the "meth of the government"
- the third one is a peasant who was supposedly home-schooled by his parents. I doubt he was schooled at all, astonished that this serf is literate. neither do I think he has ever left his own country
Yeah yeah yeah. Here's mine: you're an inner city hipster with the testosterone level of an 85 year old who promotes mass immigration yet complains about Estonian immigrants whom you all voluntarily accepted. Your intellectual development is on the beer-and-sports level so you don't even try to keep up with the rest of the forum and simply spam ridicule and personal attacks whenever possible. You are unfit to be a mod to say the least. Damn what have I missed? |
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Post by P London on Jun 17, 2019 2:28:53 GMT -5
My problem with climate change and the situation regarding the polar ice caps is that none of us really know from first hand experience if the articles we read are truthful.
This is my problem with climate change (among other things) is that we as people have to rely on the scientific community for the truth. Why do so many buy the idea of human led "climate change " which over a decade ago was dubbed Global warming?
As climate enthusiasts and my understanding of how vast the world is I doubt very much we are contributing much to the earth's climate over than local UHI effects.
There's so many variables to the world climate. On one hand "they" tell us that we are in a interglacial period and that the earth will eventually go into another glacial period... But on the other hand this cycle will get thrown out the window by Homo sapiens burning fossil fuels?
Doesn't the Sun have any input in our climate or the rotation?
But sure... Humans are all so powerful to offset every other variable that can cause change to Earth's climate.
Volcanoes
Sea surface temperatures
Rotation
Sun (solar minimums and Maximum)
But nope... Carbon Dioxide is the devil (which is actually good for the vegetation growth)
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Post by Hiromant on Jun 17, 2019 2:52:42 GMT -5
My problem with climate change and the situation regarding the polar ice caps is that none of us really know from first hand experience if the articles we read are truthful. Agreed, and there's another side to that coin. People read the alarmist news and then fit each and every change in weather patterns in their corner of the world to the narrative. I talked to a guy from California recently who was relieved that their permadrought had only lasted for two years (lol) but because last summer was hot we're all still clearly doomed unless Elon Musk can replace billions of cars with Teslas. You can't reason with these people.
Like Patrick Moore said: nothing out of the ordinary in the context of the past 10000 years has happened in weather or climate, and that's a fact.
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Post by P London on Jun 17, 2019 3:45:57 GMT -5
My problem with climate change and the situation regarding the polar ice caps is that none of us really know from first hand experience if the articles we read are truthful. Agreed, and there's another side to that coin. People read the alarmist news and then fit each and every change in weather patterns in their corner of the world to the narrative. I talked to a guy from California recently who was relieved that their permadrought had only lasted for two years (lol) but because last summer had been hot we're all still clearly doomed unless Elon Musk can replace billions of cars with Teslas. You can't reason with these people.
Like Patrick Moore said: nothing out of the ordinary in the context of the past 10000 years has happened in weather or climate, and that's a fact.
Yep the media fuels the ignorance of the Population. One hot summer = global warming. Its ridiculous. There has always been trends of warmer than average periods of time and droughts etc. |
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Post by Ariete on Jun 17, 2019 10:45:06 GMT -5
Why are you a mod again Ariete ?
So that you would have something to ask.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Jun 17, 2019 11:24:16 GMT -5
My problem with climate change and the situation regarding the polar ice caps is that none of us really know from first hand experience if the articles we read are truthful. Agreed, and there's another side to that coin. People read the alarmist news and then fit each and every change in weather patterns in their corner of the world to the narrative. I talked to a guy from California recently who was relieved that their permadrought had only lasted for two years (lol) but because last summer was hot we're all still clearly doomed unless Elon Musk can replace billions of cars with Teslas. You can't reason with these people.
Like Patrick Moore said: nothing out of the ordinary in the context of the past 10000 years has happened in weather or climate, and that's a fact.
Don't worry, Sir Musk will rescue humanity by terraforming Mars by pumping a shitton of CO2, nitrogen, oxygen, and water vapour into Mars' atmosphere with recycled Teslas. That will definitely work even with Mars' 6.1mb atmospheric pressure even though we have no control over that. I sure hope those GHGs don't escape into space.  |
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Post by Speagles84 on Jun 17, 2019 12:38:12 GMT -5
This thread is starting to make my head hurt. Hmm, actually I have a bigger insult. THIS LOOKS LIKE CITY-DATA  |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Jun 17, 2019 16:24:43 GMT -5
This thread is starting to make my head hurt. Hmm, actually I have a bigger insult. THIS LOOKS LIKE CITY-DATA neeeeeiiii! neeeiiii! Speagles just insulted me!! nei |
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Post by Hiromant on Jun 18, 2019 3:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by nei on Jun 18, 2019 12:56:47 GMT -5
yea, you can cherrypick plenty of "it hasn't been that extreme in place X" but there's also plenty of the opposite
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Post by Speagles84 on Jun 18, 2019 13:25:21 GMT -5
yea, you can cherrypick plenty of "it hasn't been that extreme in place X" but there's also plenty of the opposite Devils advocate would say Greenland had near record breaking ice accumulation in 2018 though, could just be correcting? |
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Post by Ariete on Jun 18, 2019 14:11:24 GMT -5
Heatwave in Greenland. DMI meteorologist took this picture of a lot of meltwater above pack ice:
These kind of scenes are usually seen in late July.
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Post by knot on Jun 18, 2019 14:56:43 GMT -5
Heatwave in Greenland. DMI meteorologist took this picture of a lot of meltwater above pack ice:
These kind of scenes are usually seen in late July.
Splendid picture—it shows Mother Nature at work. |
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