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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 5:36:01 GMT -5
Wanting to beat up a 16 year old girl. Classy.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 7:26:44 GMT -5
Hopefully ebay stocks those bumper stickers 
I'm not sure those bumper stickers actually exist in any meaningful number.
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Post by Hiromant on Sept 24, 2019 7:45:39 GMT -5
Wanting to beat up a 16 year old girl. Classy. The poor little victim. She's only trying to destroy civilization, don't be too harsh. |
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 8:22:57 GMT -5
The poor little victim. She's only trying to destroy civilization, don't be too harsh.
Destroying civilisation........ how?
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Post by Hiromant on Sept 24, 2019 8:29:14 GMT -5
I assume she shares AOC's misguided views that fossil fuels can simply be "given up". They can't and they won't but of course that's not the real goal, the real goal is more government spending, power and control which magically happens to be the only possible solution to all fictional crises of the past 90 years, created by - surprise - government funded scientists.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 8:39:27 GMT -5
I assume she shares AOC's misguided views that fossil fuels can simply be "given up". They can't and won't but of course that's not the real goal, the real goal is more government spending, power and control which magically happens to be the only possible solution to all fictional crises of the past 90 years, created by - surprise - government funded scientists. In time, fossil fuels definitely can be given up.
There is no global conspiracy regarding climate change. Why would an Indian scientist care what the tax rates are in Estonia? |
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Post by Hiromant on Sept 24, 2019 8:40:52 GMT -5
Of course, nothing in today's world can possibly be global. Spoken by a globalist no less. As for fossil fuels, nothing with the energy density, ease of transportation, low price and sheer quantity is even on the horizon.
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Post by nei on Sept 24, 2019 8:58:11 GMT -5
The chemistry put forth is undoubtedly correct, but the problem is...it's merely theoretical, as usual. In this thread, I have not seen a single, adequate counter-argument against the observational evidence—comprising chiefly that of which is (still) hosted by BOM's and NOAA's historical climate archives, as well as that of the CET record (1659-2019). Non-standard equipment (i.e. lack of Stevenson Screens)—the spear-heading excuse put forth by myriads of meteorological instutions surrounding historical climate adjustments/homogenisations—has been ultimately laid moot by the fact that Stevenson Screens were installed for much of the late 19th Century; in Australia, introduced in 1887, and largely installed up until 1898. With a small amount of warming, there is a fair amount noise overwhelming the signal. Ocean cycles and ENSO move heat from the ocean to the atmosphere and there is some natural variability, so it's easy to find little warming in many areas. But the observation discussion feels futile; me and others can point out plenty of sources showing the earth has warmed in recent decades and the previous millennia were overall not as warm. But they'll get dismissed as "fake data". It's a waste of time. Last 50 years of observations do average to a steady warming and are within the range of climate model predictions. There is also the satellite record, which shows warming but unfortunately does not go back that far and does not measure the surface. The unreliability of the historical records can be improved by climate adjustment and homogenizations which you rejected. The methods are documented and publicly accessible, so you can judge for yourself. The theory of the earth's atmosphere comes from underlying physics theories that have been tested by observation and experiment. A claim "greenhouse gases aren't and won't warm the earth" is an extraordinary claim that requires a lot of observation evidence imo. Satellite observations show (1) the upper atmosphere hasn't warmed with the lower atmosphere and (2) nights have warmed more than days; both of which match what you'd expect from more greenhouse gases, which trap heat, rather than more sunlight. |
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Post by Wildcat on Sept 24, 2019 10:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 11:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 11:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Sept 24, 2019 12:38:00 GMT -5
Can we get back to discussing actual science instead of this entitled Swedish twat?
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 12:53:54 GMT -5
Can we get back to discussing actual science instead of this entitled Swedish twat?
No. How is she entitled? I wouldn't say an asperger girl with OCD and social anxiety resulting in occasional mutism is exactly entitled. Entitled sure as she's Swedish and not Papua New Guinean, but that's beyond the point.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 13:02:46 GMT -5
public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release/landmark-united-science-report-informs-climate-action-summit
Highlights from the report include:
The Global Climate in 2015-2019
World Meteorological Organization (WMO)
Warmest five-year period on record
The average global temperature for 2015–2019 is on track to be the warmest of any equivalent period on record. It is currently estimated to be 1.1°Celsius (± 0.1°C) above pre-industrial (1850–1900) times. Widespread and long-lasting heatwaves, record-breaking fires and other devastating events such as tropical cyclones, floods and drought have had major impacts on socio-economic development and the environment.
Continued decrease of sea ice and ice mass
Arctic summer sea-ice extent has declined at a rate of approximately 12% per decade during 1979-2018. The four lowest values for winter sea-ice extent occurred between 2015 and 2019.
Overall, the amount of ice lost annually from the Antarctic ice sheet increased at least six-fold between 1979 and 2017. Glacier mass loss for 2015-2019 is the highest for any five-year period on record.
Sea-level rise is accelerating, sea water is becoming more acidic
The observed rate of global mean sea-level rise accelerated from 3.04 millimeters per year (mm/yr) during the period 1997–2006 to approximately 4mm/yr during the period 2007–2016. This is due to the increased rate of ocean warming and melting of the Greenland and West Antarctica ice sheets. There has been an overall increase of 26% in ocean acidity since the beginning of the industrial era.
Record Greenhouse Gas Concentrations in the Atmosphere
WMO Global Atmosphere Watch
Levels of the main long-lived greenhouse gases, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4)) and nitrous oxide (N2O) have reached new highs.
The last time Earth’s atmosphere contained 400 parts per million CO2 was about 3-5 million years ago, when global mean surface temperatures were 2-3°C warmer than today, ice sheets in Greenland and West Antarctica melted, parts of East Antarctica ice had retreated, all causing global see level rise of 10-20m compared with today.
In 2018, global CO2 concentration was 407.8 parts per million (ppm), 2.2 ppm higher than 2017. Preliminary data from a subset of greenhouse gas monitoring sites for 2019 indicate that CO2 concentrations are on track to reach or even exceed 410 parts per million (ppm) by the end of 2019.
In 2017, globally averaged atmospheric concentrations of CO2 were 405.6 ±0.1 ppm, CH4) at 1859 ±2 parts per billion (ppb) and N2O at 329.9 ±0.1 ppb. These values constitute, respectively, 146%, 257% and 122% of pre-industrial levels (pre-1750).
The growth rate of CO2 averaged over three consecutive decades (1985–1995, 1995–2005 and 2005–2015) increased from 1.42 ppm/yr to 1.86 ppm/yr and to 2.06 ppm/yr
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Post by Hiromant on Sept 24, 2019 13:32:58 GMT -5
You heard it, boys, we're still dying. Hang on for a for a few more decades and you might even notice a difference!
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 13:47:41 GMT -5
Memo from a 1980 meeting among American Petroleum Institute member executives how to deal with climate change.
K. Blower, Chairman, opened the meeting by listing the following goals of this meeting: 1. Increase industry's understanding of the CO, and climate problem 2. Determine if there are feasibile and valuable research projects that could be accomplished by API. 3. Establish a mechanism to prepare any needed issue papers.
In the pdf there's a skinny on their studies, with short notes about the impact and timescale of continued fossil fuel use:
Climate modeling - Conclusions
Likely impact: - 1C rise (2005): barely noticeable
- 2.5C rise (2038): Major economic consequences, strong regional dependence
- 5C rise (2067): Globally catastrophic effects
So already in 1980 big petrol knew that AGW is real, and the estimate of 1C rise in global mean temp by 2005 was pretty spot on. They also admitted that if nothing is done, by 2070 we have likely already gone beyond the point of no return.
These memos have started to surface quite a lot recently, and history will remember.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 24, 2019 13:50:02 GMT -5
You heard it, boys, we're still dying. Hang on for a for a few more decades and you might even notice a difference!
Still don't know the difference between weather and climate?
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Post by Hiromant on Sept 24, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -5
Climate has been catastrophically warming for forty years. Greta is shoveling snow in September. Man this whole thing cracks me up. |
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Post by knot on Sept 24, 2019 16:22:23 GMT -5
nei It appears our little debate is settled, at last; no use arguing over cooked data any longer. Thank you for providing an adequate response regarding observational evidence, and likewise admitting that cooked and/or historically insignificant data are the only form of observational evidence of which the warmist faction of the debate yields for to prove their notion—i.e. that the Earth has warmed globally. Fact is, history cannot be accurately represented with modified data—yet, still, you have not addressed the BOM's unreasonable adjustments, such as that of ACORN-SAT and adjusting for any data prior to 1957 (Stevenson Screens were installed largely from 1887-1898), as well as beginning said record in 1910...but that's another tale.
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Post by Ariete on Sept 26, 2019 9:49:44 GMT -5
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