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Post by knot on Sept 26, 2019 17:08:52 GMT -5
David Attenborough isn't a climatologist, I'm afraid. Thereby, your attempt to authority-appeal has failed.^
If you wanted a successful appeal-to-authority, then you could've picked Michael E. Mann of Penn State instead, i.e. an actual climatologist of whom is strongly in favour of Mann-Man-Made Gorebull Global Warming. Just a merry suggestion, lad...of the Guide to Cherry-Picking 101.
You've gotta learn to pick your cherries with a little more caution.
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Post by P London on Sept 27, 2019 3:27:36 GMT -5
I would suspect anyone who's a weather enthusiast (e.g. Like Ariete) would easily disbelieve the rhetoric that the media like to spout out regarding our current climate. As weather enthusiasts and some of us general natural sciences we have a deeper knowledge of climate than the average folk on the street who is easily dubbed. But anyway believe what you want Ariete eventhough you have more knowledge than average folk. Think FOR your SELF!
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Post by Babu on Sept 27, 2019 17:21:20 GMT -5
I would suspect anyone who's a weather enthusiast (e.g. Like Ariete) would easily disbelieve the rhetoric that the media like to spout out regarding our current climate. As weather enthusiasts and some of us general natural sciences we have a deeper knowledge of climate than the average folk on the street who is easily dubbed. But anyway believe what you want Ariete eventhough you have more knowledge than average folk. Think FOR your SELF! Here's a tier list for the competence on climate change: Average folk < Weather autists < Scientists The average folk know their place and leave it to the scientists. How about you do the same?
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Post by knot on Sept 27, 2019 17:26:25 GMT -5
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Post by Babu on Sept 27, 2019 18:01:20 GMT -5
97% of active climate scientists believe in AGW.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Sept 27, 2019 18:05:31 GMT -5
97% of active climate scientists believe in AGW. So fucking what. That doesn't mean they are correct. And maybe, just maybe, a big portion of that 97% say that publically so they don't sacrifice their academic careers and funding. Just maybe.
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Post by Babu on Sept 27, 2019 18:24:56 GMT -5
97% of active climate scientists believe in AGW. So fucking what. That doesn't mean they are correct. And maybe, just maybe, a big portion of that 97% say that publically so they don't sacrifice their academic careers and funding. Just maybe. Most corporations and governments want AGW to be false so they can continue to exploit natural resources. The only reason scientists who believe in AGW aren't laughed at and lose grants is because the evidence is so overwhelming.
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Post by knot on Sept 27, 2019 20:04:01 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Sept 28, 2019 12:31:56 GMT -5
So fucking what. That doesn't mean they are correct.
In my experience, usually when 97% say they think X is correct, they're usually right. Like if 97% of the people at a party says you're drunk, you're most likely drunk. The 3% are either delusional or idiots.
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Post by knot on Sept 28, 2019 15:37:42 GMT -5
In my experience, usually when 97% say they think X is correct, they're usually right. Like if 97% of the people at a party says you're drunk, you're most likely drunk. The 3% are either delusional or idiots.
And what about if that 97% is merely a mathematical error, as in the case of Cook et al., 2013? Did you not read my previous post regarding the fatally flawed "Consensus", whereby peer-review and myriads of other experts had mercilessly debunked it? You are testing my patience with your downright incompetence, sonny boy. Please, do learn to be at least somewhat more competent! You do realise that's whence the "97% Consensus" result was initially sourced? Or are you too caught-up on unrelated politics that you pay no attention whatsoever to even your own side of the debate? You and myriads of others on this thread (including one member on my own side) have absolutely no clue as to what occured and eventuated during matters regarding ClimateGate, Cook et al., and so forth—you are not caught-up, to say the least. Please, do your research on such matters before spouting, so to spare yourselves from farther embarassment...it goes a long way!
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Post by Ariete on Sept 28, 2019 16:55:54 GMT -5
In my experience, usually when 97% say they think X is correct, they're usually right. Like if 97% of the people at a party says you're drunk, you're most likely drunk. The 3% are either delusional or idiots.
And what about if that 97% is merely a mathematical error, as in the case of Cook et al., 2013? Did you not read my previous post regarding the fatally flawed "Consensus", whereby peer-review and myriads of other experts had mercilessly debunked it? You are testing my patience with your downright incompetence, sonny boy. Please, do learn to be at least somewhat more competent! You do realise that's whence the "97% Consensus" result was initially sourced? Or are you too caught-up on unrelated politics that you pay no attention whatsoever to even your own side of the debate? You and myriads of others on this thread (including one member on my own side) have absolutely no clue as to what occured and eventuated during matters regarding ClimateGate, Cook et al., and so forth—you are not caught-up, to say the least. Please, do your research on such matters before spouting, so to spare yourselves from farther embarassment...it goes a long way!
"A 2016 paper (which was co-authored by Naomi Oreskes, Peter Doran, William Anderegg, Bart Verheggen, Ed Maibach, J. Stuart Carlton and John Cook, and which was based on a half a dozen independent studies by the authors) concluded that "the finding of 97% consensus [that humans are causing recent global warming] in published climate research is robust and consistent with other surveys of climate scientists and peer-reviewed studies.""
There's your Cook.
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Post by knot on Sept 28, 2019 18:36:19 GMT -5
"A 2016 paper (which was co-authored by Naomi Oreskes, Peter Doran, William Anderegg, Bart Verheggen, Ed Maibach, J. Stuart Carlton and John Cook, and which was based on a half a dozen independent studies by the authors) concluded that "the finding of 97% consensus [that humans are causing recent global warming] in published climate research is robust and consistent with other surveys of climate scientists and peer-reviewed studies.""
There's your Cook.
If we were to track down the citation(s) hosted by Wikipedia (your source), we are presented with two papers: [I.] ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016ERL....11d8002C [II.] iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002As can be plainly discerned via thorough observation of the papers, the authors have either refused or utterly failed to state the methodology by which their 2016 results were concluded upon, alongside attempting to justify the fatal mathematical errors of Cook's 2013 counterpart; farthermore, the 2nd citation is the exact same paper as the 1st citation—"independant"? It is not so. There's a vital reason as to why modern schooling downright scorns the usage of Wikipedia as a reliable source. Meanwhilst... papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2807652Another shot in the foot for you—congratulations! You're certainly on a roll today, but at least you're trying.
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Post by omegaraptor on Sept 28, 2019 20:10:39 GMT -5
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Sept 29, 2019 1:03:56 GMT -5
Actually, record cold and snow does disprove global warming as these events do occur regularly enough.
If global warming was as catastrophic as they say it is, then these snow and cold records should not be happening. It's so easy to understand folks that even LKJ could wrap his pedobrain around it.
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Post by knot on Sept 29, 2019 16:21:34 GMT -5
But what this does prove, is that we are in a phase of dwindling solar activity, and it's only getting lower from this point until ~2050 (depths of the Eddy Minimum); unstable jet stream with unusual airmass(s), thereby prompting such a striking divide between record cold and record heat within the same continent. The 19th and early 20th Centuries saw not only record cold, but also record heat in AU and the US (the two countries with the best climate data) following the Dalton Minimum.
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Post by P London on Sept 30, 2019 10:22:17 GMT -5
Actually, record cold and snow does disprove global warming as these events do occur regularly enough. If global warming was as catastrophic as they say it is, then these snow and cold records should not be happening. It's so easy to understand folks that even LKJ could wrap his pedobrain around it. Exactly! They say even global warming means more cold and snow!! UM? LOL... And average folk suck it up like the suckers they are.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Sept 30, 2019 11:50:23 GMT -5
Actually, record cold and snow does disprove global warming as these events do occur regularly enough. If global warming was as catastrophic as they say it is, then these snow and cold records should not be happening. It's so easy to understand folks that even LKJ could wrap his pedobrain around it. Exactly! They say even global warming means more cold and snow!! UM? LOL... And average folk suck it up like the suckers they are. And average people suck it up because they're stupid as fuck, lazy/don't really care, severely lack critical thinking skills, and that whole appeal to authority thing. As for people that believe AGW on here...well...
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Post by urania93 on Sept 30, 2019 16:17:09 GMT -5
I'm tired as hell for a buisness trip, but still I immediately thought about this picture when reading the last couple of posts. There are many ways to change a probabilistic distribution.The mean is just a parameter, the variance can change as well (and even more parameters if you don't consider a normal distribution).
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Post by Ariete on Oct 5, 2019 9:19:40 GMT -5
"BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Denmark, backed by 10 other European Union countries, on Friday called for a strategy to phase out diesel and petrol cars, including allowing the ban of sales at member state-level by 2030 to combat climate change.
Denmark made the proposal came during a meeting of EU environment ministers in Luxembourg.
The 2050 goals are part of Ursula van der Leyen’s plans, the new president of the European Commission, to make Europe the first climate neutral continent by 2050. The Danish delegation argued that to achieve this the transport sector needs to decrease their emissions, which is the only sector that currently are increasing its emissions."
GG DENMARK!!!
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Oct 5, 2019 10:56:17 GMT -5
Alright go ahead then. But when the global climate does inevitably cool again, they will say, "See? We were right! It was all those SUV-driving, lamb eating bogans who caused all the warming! Going vegan and driving Teslas single-handedly defeated climate change! The science is settled!"
On another note:
What these city-dwelling folk don't realise is that driving electric vehicles in rural areas will never work. Especially COLD rural areas in countries like Canada and Russia.
I think before making the common person drive these soulless vehicles, they should make all public transportation fueled by non-diesel/petrol methods, since they spew out so much dirty exhaust that I have to breathe here.
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