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Post by Ariete on Mar 22, 2019 12:11:00 GMT -5
This must be the coolest video I've ever seen:
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Post by Mörön on Mar 22, 2019 16:44:57 GMT -5
Very impressive just looking at China and India's booms and busts. Looks like we are in the midst of a boom...
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Post by tij on Mar 22, 2019 19:12:49 GMT -5
I wasn't aware that India (likely by a greater amount if you add Pakistan and Bangladesh) had substantially more people than China <1000 AD and >-1000 AD and ~1400AD and China had substantially more ~1800AD, and that Mexico and Brazil had at one point more than either country.
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 4:26:06 GMT -5
It's interesting to see that before agriculture Mexico, Brazil, US and even Australia have among the largest populations. But when it spreads first China and India start to skyrocket, and then Egypt and after that France, Italy and Spain appear from nowhere.
In the 500's BC Greece appears on the top list, but falls down in the 300s AD never to appear again.
The Fall of Rome is seen clearly. Italy goes from 6th to outside the list, but rebounds quickly.
In the early 1300s France briefly overtakes Brazil as the 4th most populous country, and it's also the first time when the UK appears on the list. Then the Black Death hits and all European countries fall down.
Around 1500 Mexico and Brazil are 3rd and 4th, but then Europeans arrive and both fall outside the top list. Mexico doesn't reappear until 1800 and Brazil only in the 1870s. As these plus Peru drop out Poland emerges briefly, and so does Ukraine.
The US makes the list in 1800, the first time since 2600 BC, and within 100 years it rises to 3rd. Not even the Civil War is affecting the growth of population.
Around 1000 AD Nigeria has its highest position until then, 6th, in the 1600s it peaks at 5th, falls down to 14th in the 1930s, and now it's 7th.
At the turn of the 19th century the most European countries on the list is seen - 8 of them (Ukraine for some reason has Asia's colour )- and if you add Russia, it's 9. Even little Ireland briefly appear in the 1830s before the potato plague.
Poland is on the list after the mid 1500s and is 12th in 1900, which is their highest ever position. And despite the World Wars, Poland actually remains on the list until the 1970s.
8th is the UK's peak position in 1850, having a larger population than Indonesia and Nigeria who are in the top 10 today.
Look at the video once more and only follow Russia. It has seriously a bipolar population disorder.
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 23, 2019 6:47:38 GMT -5
Didn't Ireland have some crazy population density similar to many regions of England today back then which definitely can't have helped once the poor harvests hit? Ariete By the way, given your historical knowledge was that very much connected to the very cold summers of the 1800's? Given Helsinki had those no-show summers at the time for July and frigid winters, I'd guess Ireland would resemble something like Ålesund's second half of the 20th century during that time. It sort of makes me wonder how many people Ireland would've had today were it not for the mini ice age back then. 15 million perhaps? |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 7:28:13 GMT -5
Didn't Ireland have some crazy population density similar to many regions of England today back then which definitely can't have helped once the poor harvests hit? Ariete By the way, given your historical knowledge was that very much connected to the very cold summers of the 1800's? Given Helsinki had those no-show summers at the time for July and frigid winters, I'd guess Ireland would resemble something like Ålesund's second half of the 20th century during that time. It sort of makes me wonder how many people Ireland would've had today were it not for the mini ice age back then. 15 million perhaps?
Weather had an impact, but the potato plague of the late 1840s wasn't European in origin. And as the genetic diversity of the Irish potatoes was low, a big chunk got lost.
If there woudn't had been any mass emigration from Ireland, looking at the growth rate of other European countries since, I estimate that there would be somewhere between 22 and 24 million people in Ireland today.
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Post by jgtheone on Mar 23, 2019 7:32:39 GMT -5
It's interesting to see that before agriculture Mexico, Brazil, US and even Australia have among the largest populations. But when it spreads first China and India start to skyrocket, and then Egypt and after that France, Italy and Spain appear from nowhere. We have been fucken full since the dawn of time.  |
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Post by Lommaren on Mar 23, 2019 7:48:46 GMT -5
Weather had an impact, but the potato plague of the late 1840s wasn't European in origin. And as the genetic diversity of the Irish potatoes was low, a big chunk got lost.
If there woudn't had been any mass emigration from Ireland, looking at the growth rate of other European countries since, I estimate that there would be somewhere between 22 and 24 million people in Ireland today.
How did the famine affect the Northern Ireland part? Was that also heavily populated way beyond the current numbers? I'd assume the Protestants were better off due to their affiliation with the monarchy though and thus didn't get wiped out the same way which explains how Northern Ireland got a Protestant majority to this day? |
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Post by Ariete on Mar 23, 2019 15:34:22 GMT -5
How did the famine affect the Northern Ireland part? Was that also heavily populated way beyond the current numbers? I'd assume the Protestants were better off due to their affiliation with the monarchy though and thus didn't get wiped out the same way which explains how Northern Ireland got a Protestant majority to this day?
IDK
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Post by nei on Mar 23, 2019 22:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by P London on May 25, 2019 5:28:03 GMT -5
Interesting that Mexico had a high population. I would have thought Africa would have had the biggest population considering (apparently) Humans originated there. Like a trickle out effect.
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Post by Ethereal on Apr 12, 2020 6:09:07 GMT -5
Holy crap, Mexico just fell. Nice to see Iraq up there 2400 BC. Must've been the population of my Assyrian/Akkadian ancestors.  |
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