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Post by omegaraptor on Dec 2, 2019 22:36:35 GMT -5
  According to Köppen's original system, -3ºC was the winter threshold between temperate and continental climates, not 0ºC. Using this threshold, Erie, PA becomes a humid subtropical climate. Vinh also classifies as humid subtropical because two months have a mean below 18ºC. So which humid subtropical climate is better? |
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Post by AJ1013 on Dec 2, 2019 22:44:36 GMT -5
Erie obviously
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Post by knot on Dec 2, 2019 23:08:29 GMT -5
E.R.I.E. P.A.
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Dec 3, 2019 1:15:33 GMT -5
Erie is pretty nice. One of the best in that area of the US.
Vinh isn't "humid subtropical". Clearly, it's genetically tropical with relatively chilly "winters". But still, 17.5C vs 18C is the difference between it being tropical or not? Yeah fucking right.
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Post by Babu on Dec 3, 2019 7:44:25 GMT -5
Vinh because Erie is way too cold and snowy. Also, Koppen never considered Erie to be subtropical. He considered it to be warm temperate. And my perspective is that temperate and continental are the same type of climate. Continental is a type of temperate climate. Subtropical is between temperate and tropical, just like subarctic is between temperate and tundra. Or you could just eliminate both subarctic and subtropical and just call all the climates from Tampa to Norilsk "temperate". Any type of threshold for subarctic and subtropical climates is arbitrary anyways, and they provide basically zero understanding of the climate. If all you know about a climate is Cfa or Cfb or Csa or Dfa or Dfb, you know nowhere near enough to have a decent understanding of the climate. If you provide 1000 possible classifications, it stops being a classification and starts being a very vague and unnecessarily complex version of the stats themselves. You might as well provide the average summer and winter temperatures, mention whether the climate is wet or dry and in which seasons, etc. Extremely well said |
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Post by aabc123 on Dec 3, 2019 11:55:01 GMT -5
I agree it is very weird to call that Erie "subtropical" because it is way too cold and snowy to be called subtropical. In any case, it is a completely different climate from the Vietnamese place.
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Post by Steelernation on Dec 3, 2019 15:10:52 GMT -5
Erie. And either subtropical or warm temperate is bullshit, it’s obviously continental.
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Post by Crunch41 on Dec 5, 2019 23:15:20 GMT -5
Erie easily.
Just shows how massive the subtropical range is. The extremely cold ones (Dfd, Dwd, EF) have a larger temperature range, but the range of climates isn't much different. -20C or -40C winters don't change the climate much.
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Post by Hlidskjalf on Dec 7, 2019 3:17:55 GMT -5
Vietnam wins easily. And a place were it snows frequently from november to March isn't very subtropical, is it. That looks more like a place like here.
And no one prefers this cold weather to warm climate.
Why aren't tourists traveling to places like Erie, PA, but rather to places like Hawaii, the Mediterranean countries, Florida, Thailand etc? Stop lying to yourselves. I don't think you all are cross country skiers.
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Post by knot on Dec 7, 2019 4:10:03 GMT -5
Vietnam wins easily. And a place were it snows frequently from november to March isn't very subtropical, is it. That looks more like a place like here. And no one prefers this cold weather to warm climate. Why aren't tourists traveling to places like Erie, PA, but rather to places like Hawaii, the Mediterranean countries, Florida, Thailand etc? Stop lying to yourselves. I don't think you all are cross country skiers. Because tourists are not weather-enthusiasts, unlike most of us on this forum. In fact, tourists are subhuman amateurs; they know nothing about climate, or don't even care about climate. |
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Post by Lommaren on Dec 7, 2019 6:16:07 GMT -5
Automatic win for any Rust Belt climate over any Vietnamese one. South East Asia is simply too hot and humid for too long.
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Post by Hlidskjalf on Dec 7, 2019 6:43:07 GMT -5
Vietnam wins easily. And a place were it snows frequently from november to March isn't very subtropical, is it. That looks more like a place like here. And no one prefers this cold weather to warm climate. Why aren't tourists traveling to places like Erie, PA, but rather to places like Hawaii, the Mediterranean countries, Florida, Thailand etc? Stop lying to yourselves. I don't think you all are cross country skiers. Because tourists are not weather-enthusiasts, unlike most of us on this forum. In fact, tourists are subhuman amateurs; they know nothing about climate, or don't even care about climate. OK, we can agree that most tourists or people in general are subhuman amateurs. But while I have a fascination (since the early 90s) for climate and weather, especially the extreme ones like Norilsk, Vostok, I still hate being cold and I still hate subzero temperatures and not being able to move from a to b effortlessly because of all the snow and ice. There's a reason we don't have -7 degrees inside. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Dec 7, 2019 14:29:51 GMT -5
Vietnam
Just kidding, if I fooled any of you. SHAME ON YOU
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Post by omegaraptor on Jan 1, 2021 16:50:11 GMT -5
Vietnam wins easily. And a place were it snows frequently from november to March isn't very subtropical, is it. That looks more like a place like here. And no one prefers this cold weather to warm climate. Why aren't tourists traveling to places like Erie, PA, but rather to places like Hawaii, the Mediterranean countries, Florida, Thailand etc? Stop lying to yourselves. I don't think you all are cross country skiers. Why do you think so many Texans and Floridians flock to Colorado every winter to go skiing? Why do you think Aspen is a billion dollar company? |
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Post by Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Jan 1, 2021 16:52:01 GMT -5
Erie by many miles. Vinh is just a humid hellhole with suffocating summers and house-warm winters.
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Post by Benfxmth on Jan 1, 2021 16:52:10 GMT -5
Vinh is my choice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 20:28:41 GMT -5
Vinh, which is actually subtropical, unlike Erie which ought to be Dfb.
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Post by FrozenI69 on Jan 1, 2021 21:45:13 GMT -5
Erie, PA is subtropical  ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 22:00:03 GMT -5
Erie, PA is subtropical ? Technically yes; the 24-hour mean for January (the coldest month) is -2.65'C, and for July (the warmest month) it's 22.05'C, thus narrowly satisfying the -3'C or warmer winter and 22'C or warmer summer requirements for a Cfa climate. No sane person would consider a climate like Erie or Budapest (another technically-Cfa-but-functionally-Dfb example) subtropical, though; Erie doesn't strike me as too different from the Dfb climates of northeastern Wisconsin. |
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Post by FrozenI69 on Jan 1, 2021 22:13:10 GMT -5
Erie, PA is subtropical ? Technically yes; the 24-hour mean for January (the coldest month) is -2.65'C, and for July (the warmest month) it's 22.05'C, thus narrowly satisfying the -3'C or warmer winter and 22'C or warmer summer requirements for a Cfa climate. No sane person would consider a climate like Erie or Budapest (another technically-Cfa-but-functionally-Dfb example) subtropical, though; Erie doesn't strike me as too different from the Dfb climates of northeastern Wisconsin. Any place with heavy lake snow effect is essentially a Dfb climate. |
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