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Post by Donar on May 12, 2020 16:40:22 GMT -5
1 - The mean temp is simply not warm enough, regardless of seasons.
Btw, what do you think about this definition? Tropical = yearly diurnal range is bigger than the range between the warmest and coldest month.
Generally I think explicit definitions are pointless for defining climate zones but this one fits quite well imho except for a troll climate like Pinnacles NP which would be tropical by that definition.
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Post by AJ1013 on May 12, 2020 16:41:59 GMT -5
1 - The mean temp is simply not warm enough, regardless of seasons. Btw, what do you think about this definition? Tropical = yearly diurnal range is bigger than the range between the warmest and coldest month. Generally I think explicit definitions are pointless for defining climate zones but this one fits quite well imho except for a troll climate like Pinnacles NP which would be tropical by that definition. By this definition Miami is not tropical. |
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Post by Donar on May 12, 2020 17:02:47 GMT -5
Cool! - Motueka has a larger diurnal range than seasonal range. Ok added Motueka to the troll list  though Nelson has a slightly larger seasonal range than diurnal range |
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Post by trolik on May 12, 2020 17:23:43 GMT -5
A 3. The absence of cold is AT LEAST as important as heat in a subtropical climate. But it doesn't meet the Koppen definition, not by a long shot. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 17:24:44 GMT -5
A 3. The absence of cold is AT LEAST as important as heat in a subtropical climate. But it doesn't meet the Koppen definition, not by a long shot. But half the places that are Cfa under Koppen have no business being called 'subtropical'. |
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Post by knot on May 12, 2020 18:49:05 GMT -5
ZERO
Cold, wet winters and short, cool summers. More like subpolar than subtropical.
Anyone who thinks such a climate has even an ounce of subtropicality, has a medical condition and needs to see a doctor ASAP for to identify any subhumanic deformities about the cranium.
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Post by chesternz on May 13, 2020 5:46:13 GMT -5
LOL 0/10. That climatebox is depressing to look at. The precise definition of "subtropical" is one of those perenial debates and I don't see it ever being settled. For me, it implies a mean temp of at least 18 C, so mostly in the 20-35 degree lattitute range, kinda like how subarctic climates are mostly in the 50-67 degree lat range. So, Sydney, Dallas, etc. would be subtropical, but not this island in Ireland.
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Post by Morningrise on May 16, 2020 23:18:35 GMT -5
Zero, like most people. Nothing subtropical about it at all. Lack of extreme cold isn't enough to qualify.
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Post by ilmc90 on May 18, 2020 18:45:23 GMT -5
0 Definitely more oceanic. No warmth to speak of which is more characteristic of subtropical climates. Still an awesome climate nonetheless.  |
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Post by tij on May 18, 2020 23:39:27 GMT -5
Think a 3 or 4 is warranted, there are definitely "incomplete" subtropical features present, but (obviously) not consistently so to the degree as they are in a place like València. In terms of ecological characteristics, there is no freezing period and a long non-dormancy season, and the potential for "severe" cold here is slight as evinced by the rather gentle record minima.
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Post by rpvan on May 20, 2020 22:18:51 GMT -5
0.
Can't see how anyone could think this climate is subtropical.
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Post by firebird1988 on May 24, 2020 12:57:05 GMT -5
0/10
It is warm oceanic (thanks to coolest month mean 6°C+)
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Post by deneb78 on May 28, 2020 13:41:27 GMT -5
0/10 It is warm oceanic (thanks to coolest month mean 6°C+) Do you think Washingtonias could grow in this climate? |
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Post by firebird1988 on May 28, 2020 15:00:32 GMT -5
0/10 It is warm oceanic (thanks to coolest month mean 6°C+) Do you think Washingtonias could grow in this climate? No, and it's because it's too wet, and because summer isn't warm enough. Eureka, California is barely able to grow them, and I think it's primarily due to the drop in rainfall in the summer, as temp wise, this climate and Eureka are fairly similar |
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Post by firebird1988 on May 28, 2020 16:29:41 GMT -5
No, and it's because it's too wet, and because summer isn't warm enough. Eureka, California is barely able to grow them, and I think it's primarily due to the drop in rainfall in the summer, as temp wise, this climate and Eureka are fairly similar Not sure that too much rain or summers would be the problem for Washingtonia - I've seen them growing in Hokitika, which is about as cold as Valentia Island during summer, but gets nearly double the rainfall for the year. Has to have something to do with it, as first, Washingtonia are a desert palm; and second, if you look at areas where they are marginal, they are hardier in drier areas. In Texas for example, in the humid east, they don't become numerous until almost the Gulf Coast (9a/9b); while in the far west, they're numerous in 8a/8b El Paso |
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Post by ǝɹǝɥds ɐɯɐqo on Jul 4, 2020 10:07:25 GMT -5
It is definitely not Subtropical. Way too north, and summers are cool. In a subtropical climate, the summers are generally hot and humid. The winters are acceptable, but the other seasons need to correspond to a hot and humid summer in order for it to be subtropical.
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though Nelson has a slightly larger seasonal range than diurnal range
