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Post by deneb78 on Jul 7, 2020 17:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by AJ1013 on Jul 7, 2020 17:49:47 GMT -5
Oklahoma City imo. Hot, humid, stormy summers with mild winters beats out year round mild.
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Post by knot on Jul 7, 2020 17:50:10 GMT -5
Auckland, and it's not even close. OK City gets regularly battered with polar wank attacks in winter.
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Post by knot on Jul 7, 2020 17:53:01 GMT -5
Oklahoma City imo. Hot, humid, stormy summers with mild winters beats out year round mild. LMAO, OK City's winters are far from "mild". Cool at the very least, with extreme cold snaps. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Jul 7, 2020 17:54:13 GMT -5
Oklahoma City imo. Hot, humid, stormy summers with mild winters beats out year round mild. LMAO, OK City's winters are far from "mild". Cool at the very least, with extreme cold snaps. OKC isn’t a prototypical subtropical climate imo. The thing is I don’t see Auckland as subtropical at all so OKC wins by default. |
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Post by deneb78 on Jul 7, 2020 17:57:17 GMT -5
LMAO, OK City's winters are far from "mild". Cool at the very least, with extreme cold snaps. OKC isn’t a prototypical subtropical climate imo. The thing is I don’t see Auckland as subtropical at all so OKC wins by default. Can you name one subtropical plant that can't grow in Auckland? |
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Post by AJ1013 on Jul 7, 2020 18:00:08 GMT -5
OKC isn’t a prototypical subtropical climate imo. The thing is I don’t see Auckland as subtropical at all so OKC wins by default. Can you name one subtropical plant that can't grow in Auckland? I’ve had this type of debate many times with @logan5 . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical. 75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot. |
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Post by deneb78 on Jul 7, 2020 18:10:56 GMT -5
Can you name one subtropical plant that can't grow in Auckland? I’ve had this type of debate many times with @logan5 . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical. 75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot. But the question is does a subtropical climate need tropical weather for part of the year? How do you classify subtropical highland climates like Quito and Bogotá? You can't call them oceanic or temperate because they don't feature the genetics of those climate groups. They are neither moderated by an ocean nor have temperate weather patterns. They are only cooler because of altitude. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Jul 7, 2020 18:22:11 GMT -5
<div class="quote" timestamp="1594163456" source="/post/131771/thread" author=" deneb78"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-21" title="deneb78"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/defaultavatar.png" alt="deneb78 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131771/thread"><abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594163456000">Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/21" class="user-link js-user-link user-21 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" deneb78"><span itemprop="name">deneb78</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" timestamp="1594162808" source="/post/131769/thread" author=" AJ1013"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-63" title="AJ1013"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/abwwDrl.jpg" alt="AJ1013 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131769/thread"><abbr title="Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594162808000" class="o-timestamp time">Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/63" class="user-link js-user-link user-63 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" AJ1013"><span itemprop="name">AJ1013</span></a></span> said:</div>I’ve had this type of debate many times with <span atuser="logan5" user_id="49" class="wysiwyg-tagged-user user-link user-49"><span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/49" class="user-link js-user-link user-49 group-0" itemprop="url" title="@logan5"><span itemprop="name">joe90</span></a></span></span> . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical.<br><br>75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>But the question is does a subtropical climate need tropical weather for part of the year? How do you classify subtropical highland climates like Quito and Bogotá? You can't call them oceanic or temperate because they don't feature the genetics of those climate groups. They are neither moderated by an ocean nor have temperate weather patterns. They are only cooler because of altitude. <br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>Subtropical highland works for those climates because subtropical highland=\= subtropical. It denotes an oceanic climate caused by elevation. |
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Post by tij on Jul 7, 2020 18:27:32 GMT -5
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Post by deneb78 on Jul 7, 2020 18:27:53 GMT -5
<div class="quote" timestamp="1594163456" source="/post/131771/thread" author=" deneb78 "><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-21" title="deneb78"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/defaultavatar.png" alt="deneb78 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131771/thread"><abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594163456000">Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/21" class="user-link js-user-link user-21 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" deneb78 "><span itemprop="name">deneb78</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" timestamp="1594162808" source="/post/131769/thread" author=" AJ1013 "><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-63" title="AJ1013"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/abwwDrl.jpg" alt="AJ1013 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131769/thread"><abbr title="Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594162808000" class="o-timestamp time">Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/63" class="user-link js-user-link user-63 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" AJ1013 "><span itemprop="name">AJ1013</span></a></span> said:</div>I’ve had this type of debate many times with <span atuser="logan5" user_id="49" class="wysiwyg-tagged-user user-link user-49"><span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/49" class="user-link js-user-link user-49 group-0" itemprop="url" title="@logan5 "><span itemprop="name">joe90</span></a></span></span> . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical.<br><br>75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>But the question is does a subtropical climate need tropical weather for part of the year? How do you classify subtropical highland climates like Quito and Bogotá? You can't call them oceanic or temperate because they don't feature the genetics of those climate groups. They are neither moderated by an ocean nor have temperate weather patterns. They are only cooler because of altitude. <br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>Subtropical highland works for those climates because subtropical highland=\= subtropical. It denotes an oceanic climate caused by elevation. I gotta say it was a bit trippy reading through all that code  I get what you're saying but why call the climate category subtropical highland if it doesn't have anything subtropical about it? Also, what does elevation have anything to do with ocean moderation? |
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Post by AJ1013 on Jul 7, 2020 18:30:27 GMT -5
<div class="quote" timestamp="1594163456" source="/post/131771/thread" author=" deneb78 "><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-21" title="deneb78"><img src="//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/defaultavatar.png" alt="deneb78 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131771/thread"><abbr class="o-timestamp time" title="Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594163456000">Jul 7, 2020 19:10:56 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/21" class="user-link js-user-link user-21 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" deneb78 "><span itemprop="name">deneb78</span></a></span> said:</div><div class="quote" timestamp="1594162808" source="/post/131769/thread" author=" AJ1013 "><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-63" title="AJ1013"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/abwwDrl.jpg" alt="AJ1013 Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/131769/thread"><abbr title="Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4" data-timestamp="1594162808000" class="o-timestamp time">Jul 7, 2020 19:00:08 GMT -4</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/63" class="user-link js-user-link user-63 group-0" itemprop="url" title=" AJ1013 "><span itemprop="name">AJ1013</span></a></span> said:</div>I’ve had this type of debate many times with <span atuser="logan5" user_id="49" class="wysiwyg-tagged-user user-link user-49"><span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/49" class="user-link js-user-link user-49 group-0" itemprop="url" title="@logan5 "><span itemprop="name">joe90</span></a></span></span> . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical.<br><br>75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot.<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>But the question is does a subtropical climate need tropical weather for part of the year? How do you classify subtropical highland climates like Quito and Bogotá? You can't call them oceanic or temperate because they don't feature the genetics of those climate groups. They are neither moderated by an ocean nor have temperate weather patterns. They are only cooler because of altitude. <br><div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div>Subtropical highland works for those climates because subtropical highland=\= subtropical. It denotes an oceanic climate caused by elevation. I gotta say it was a bit trippy reading through all that code I get what you're saying but why call the climate category subtropical highland if it doesn't have anything subtropical about it? Also, what does elevation have anything to do with ocean moderation? Oh sweet jesus what have I done. |
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Post by Steelernation on Jul 7, 2020 18:43:48 GMT -5
Oklahoma City. I’d say Auckland is still subtropical but has strong oceanic influences and cool summers.
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Post by ǝɹǝɥds ɐɯɐqo on Jul 7, 2020 19:00:18 GMT -5
Auckland for sure. In my opinion, it seems pretty rare for a textbook subtropical city to get below 0°F (-18°C) ever, let alone reach -15°F (-26°C). If the winters were warmer and record lows were less extreme, I would definitely pick OKC. As of now, neither are close to being a subtropical city. A city with Auckland winters, OKC summers, and corresponding spring and fall temps would be a prime example of the humid subtropical climate.
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Post by srfoskey on Jul 8, 2020 1:18:22 GMT -5
Neither is really subtropical. But I saw snow before Halloween and after Easter this year, so imma hafta go with Auckland.
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Post by lukas1992 on Jul 8, 2020 7:06:29 GMT -5
Auckland is far more subtropical.
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Post by chesternz on Jul 8, 2020 7:25:35 GMT -5
Interesting comparison as the two cities have similar latitudes and mean temps. I'd say OKC is the winner here, mainly on account of the rainfall patterns. OKC has the classic subtropical wet summer, dry winter pattern whereas Auckland has the opposite. OKC's propensity for severe winter cold doesn't disqualify it from the subtropical category IMO - it just makes it a different type of subtropical than Auckland, if that makes sense (continental vs. oceanic). Can you name one subtropical plant that can't grow in Auckland? I’ve had this type of debate many times with @logan5 . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical. 75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot. Fair point, but I'm curious if you'd consider Norfolk Island (hottest month averages 68 / 77 F) more or less subtropical than OKC? Or Sydney vs. OKC, for that matter. I'd say OKC is more subtropical than AKL but Sydney / Norfolk Island are more subtropical than OKC, IMO. Interestingly, Norfolk Island also has a winter rainfall peak, so my own critera kinda falls apart here. |
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Post by srfoskey on Jul 8, 2020 11:21:41 GMT -5
Interesting comparison as the two cities have similar latitudes and mean temps. I'd say OKC is the winner here, mainly on account of the rainfall patterns. OKC has the classic subtropical wet summer, dry winter pattern whereas Auckland has the opposite. OKC's propensity for severe winter cold doesn't disqualify it from the subtropical category IMO - it just makes it a different type of subtropical than Auckland, if that makes sense (continental vs. oceanic). I’ve had this type of debate many times with @logan5 . In short I don’t see vegetation as important for “subtropicalness”, I care about what I feel, that being temperatures, and a hottest month of 75/60 (auckland) just doesn’t do it for me. That doesn’t feel anything like tropical weather which, imo, is nevessary for me to consider somewhere subtropical. 75/60 is like winter here and winter here feels absolutely nothing like summer (tropical weather), it’s mild and pleasant, tropical weather is hot. Fair point, but I'm curious if you'd consider Norfolk Island (hottest month averages 68 / 77 F) more or less subtropical than OKC? Or Sydney vs. OKC, for that matter. I'd say OKC is more subtropical than AKL but Sydney / Norfolk Island are more subtropical than OKC, IMO. Interestingly, Norfolk Island also has a winter rainfall peak, so my own critera kinda falls apart here. I wouldn't say OKC is the classic wet summer/dry winter pattern because the wettest months are May, June, September, and October. There's usually a time from June into July where it stops raining as much and dries out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 12:36:49 GMT -5
Auckland by a mile.
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Post by irlinit on Jul 8, 2020 13:49:54 GMT -5
Auckland easily.
Again summers are not subtropical like but OKC is just too cold in winter with cold lows and regular brutal cold snaps
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I get what you're saying but why call the climate category subtropical highland if it doesn't have anything subtropical about it? Also, what does elevation have anything to do with ocean moderation? 
