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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 11:56:41 GMT -5
Montauk. Motueka has warm winters. I wouldn't really consider the winters in either place warm. I wouldn't even consider Motueka's summers warm: to me it's cool year-round. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 12, 2020 12:43:33 GMT -5
I wouldn't really consider the winters in either place warm. I wouldn't even consider Motueka's summers warm: tome it's cool year-roundAs cool means not warm, does that mean that one wouldn't feel warm during summer? Would the lack of summer warmth be reflected by clothing aimed at retaining body heat? and perhaps home heating? I view Motueka as cool year round as well. "Summers" there are extremely anemic. Mild during the day and chilly at night. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 12, 2020 12:54:29 GMT -5
I view Motueka as cool year round as well. "Summers" there are extremely anemic. Mild during the day and chilly at night. What does extremely anemic mean? Do you believe that summer days don't feel warm? Anemic means bland and lacking in vitality. And no, I don't think summers in Motueka are warm overall. I'm sure that in the sunshine during midday it feels pleasantly mild but 74/53 isn't warm. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 12, 2020 12:58:12 GMT -5
Anemic means bland and lacking in vitality. And no, I don't think summers in Motueka are warm overall. I'm sure that in the sunshine during midday it feels pleasantly mild but 74/53 isn't warm. What does extremely lacking in vitality mean? So you think a summer in Motueka means that on average, a person would feel cold? I think at night and in the morning an average person would feel cold. |
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Post by Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Nov 12, 2020 14:12:24 GMT -5
Montauk. Motueka has warm winters. I wouldn't really consider the winters in either place warm. I wouldn't even consider Motueka's summers warm: to me it's cool year-round. In my opinion, mid-fifties at winter is quite warm. I think 45° at a an October mid-day is preferred. Cool but not cold. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Nov 12, 2020 14:22:49 GMT -5
Montauk even though it's not that good. Winter average is right at freezing, so it gets a lot of rain instead of snow. And summer nights are too warm. Moteuka is not bad but it doesn't have the seasonal range that Montauk has.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 20:27:28 GMT -5
Anemic means bland and lacking in vitality. And no, I don't think summers in Motueka are warm overall. I'm sure that in the sunshine during midday it feels pleasantly mild but 74/53 isn't warm. What does extremely lacking in vitality mean? So you think a summer in Motueka means that on average, a person would feel cold? Not 24/7, but bear with me and AJ here. The average high is 23'C. That's for me an exact neutral temperature, and that's the warmest it would get on the average day. That means that at least 75% of the time, summer temperatures would be below this neutral point, and thus various shades of "cool". When I think of "summer", I think of a distinct warm sensation, at least during the daytime hours, so for me it doesn't register as summer unless the highs are at least around 27'C. The average low is 13'C, which is by all means a distinctly cool temperature; you'd have to be either shalop or a polar bear to say otherwise. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 12, 2020 20:43:18 GMT -5
What does extremely lacking in vitality mean? So you think a summer in Motueka means that on average, a person would feel cold? Not 24/7, but bear with me and AJ here. The average high is 23'C. That's for me an exact neutral temperature, and that's the warmest it would get on the average day. That means that at least 75% of the time, summer temperatures would be below this neutral point, and thus various shades of "cool". When I think of "summer", I think of a distinct warm sensation, at least during the daytime hours, so for me it doesn't register as summer unless the highs are at least around 27'C. The average low is 13'C, which is by all means a distinctly cool temperature; you'd have to be either shalop or a polar bear to say otherwise. The average low is actually 11.5C |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 20:47:16 GMT -5
Not 24/7, but bear with me and AJ here. The average high is 23'C. That's for me an exact neutral temperature, and that's the warmest it would get on the average day. That means that at least 75% of the time, summer temperatures would be below this neutral point, and thus various shades of "cool". When I think of "summer", I think of a distinct warm sensation, at least during the daytime hours, so for me it doesn't register as summer unless the highs are at least around 27'C. The average low is 13'C, which is by all means a distinctly cool temperature; you'd have to be either shalop or a polar bear to say otherwise. The average low is actually 11.5C 10.9 in December, 12.0 in January, and 11.9 in February. Thanks for catching my typo, but the correct numbers make it even worse. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Nov 12, 2020 20:48:58 GMT -5
The average low is actually 11.5C Here comes another argument about how it's actually 12.00001, not 12.00000 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 20:50:05 GMT -5
The average low is actually 11.5C Here comes another argument about how it's actually 12.00001, not 12.00000 12.0000000...1 with an infinite number of 0's, then a 1 at the end.  |
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 12, 2020 20:52:26 GMT -5
Motueka summer is like a Shitchester September. Feels warm many days, chilly on a bunch of others. Since in Motueka it’s not coming after a much warmer period of time, I think I’d feel warm much of the time.
That said, I’m not interested in feeling “warm” in summer. That’s for May or September. In summer I want it to be hot on many days with potential for interesting heat which Motueka completely lacks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 6:15:05 GMT -5
The people bashing Motueka for it being too cool and boring would be the first to vote for Eureka or SF vs London.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 7:00:52 GMT -5
Not 24/7, but bear with me and AJ here. The average high is 23'C. That's for me an exact neutral temperature, and that's the warmest it would get on the average day. That means that at least 75% of the time, summer temperatures would be below this neutral point, and thus various shades of "cool". When I think of "summer", I think of a distinct warm sensation, at least during the daytime hours, so for me it doesn't register as summer unless the highs are at least around 27'C. The average low is 13'C, which is by all means a distinctly cool temperature; you'd have to be either shalop or a polar bear to say otherwise. Sounds unlikely to me - I think people pretty much acclimatise the same as the general population within a short period of time. And the idea that you would spend at least 75% of the average summer daytime hours here dressing up to counter the cold, is a bit far fetched - your rigid logic implies that you would feel colder for longer in a climate with an annual mean of 12.7C, than you would in a climate with an 11.3C annual mean. A bit hard you take what you say seriously, with that kind of logic. You are totally misunderstanding my point. "Feeling cool" =/= "dressing up to counter the cold". Nobody I know over the age of 20 would wear a big winter jacket in a temperature like 21'C. (Teenagers and their weird ideas of fashion are irrelevant.) Let's say it's 15'C outside. Odds are I'm walking outside in a T-shirt. Is my perception of the temperature going to be that it's chilly? Yes. Does that bother me? Not really. Am I rushing back inside to get a jacket because 15'C is just too damn cold? No. There's a big difference, and your interpretation of my post is a straw man. The people bashing Motueka for it being too cool and boring would be the first to vote for Eureka or SF vs London. Not me. SF's summers would be utterly depressing, and I'd be willing to bet Eureka would make me outright suicidal. |
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Post by nei on Nov 13, 2020 9:11:40 GMT -5
only benefit of Montauk of Moteuka is two months of warmer summer weather. Otherwise, the ocean kills off most interesting weather and keeps spring chilly while winters are too mild for snow but too cool for sitting outside. Damp, windy and chilly, meh. Moteuka seems much nicer.
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Post by AJ1013 on Nov 13, 2020 9:52:54 GMT -5
The people bashing Motueka for it being too cool and boring would be the first to vote for Eureka or SF vs London. Nope. London is way better than both of those. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 11:55:17 GMT -5
You are totally misunderstanding my point. "Feeling cool" =/= "dressing up to counter the cold". Nobody I know over the age of 20 would wear a big winter jacket in a temperature like 21'C. (Teenagers and their weird ideas of fashion are irrelevant.) Let's say it's 15'C outside. Odds are I'm walking outside in a T-shirt. Is my perception of the temperature going to be that it's chilly? Yes. Does that bother me? Not really. Am I rushing back inside to get a jacket because 15'C is just too damn cold? No. There's a big difference, and your interpretation of my post is a straw man. I've got to be honest here - your reply seems a little silly. Your talk of a lack of a"dinstinct warm sensation" during most of a summer day, and notions that the average person here walks around most of the day in summer feeling "chilly", yet unwilling to do anything about it, really are out to lunch. Quit boteving. Your summers are cool and you know it because you live them. The average of your average high and low for January is 17.7'C. In Fahrenheit, it's 63.8'F. Just looking at that temperature sounds cool to me. If I think about it too long, it turns green in my mind, a cool color. What is your preferred room temperature? Do you reach for your winter jacket when it's 1'C less than that? That's "dressing up to counter the cold". By your logic, you're saying I think 22'C is cold and I have to dress differently to adapt to it, just because it's below my neutral temperature. News flash: I don't even really notice if it goes up or down a degree, I'm not Wilko! Definitely below 21'C is when I begin to notice a chill in the air. Do I start wearing a jacket in 21'C just because I feel a chill? No. It doesn't even bother me if I'm out in 15'C in a T-shirt. It's chilly, yes, but it's not cold to the point I need to dress differently to counter it. If all New Zealanders kept their houses/apartments at 15'C, you might have a point, and then the 23'C of a summer day would feel warm. But as it stands, you can't claim your summers are anything but mild or cool. I'd be willing to bet the average person does feel chilly outside most of the day in the summer. They just aren't wearing big insulated jackets because there's a difference between "pleasantly cool" and "uncomfortably cold", and nobody considers room temperature uncomfortably cold. To go in the other direction, feeling warm would be the same as taking off clothes to counter the heat. So at 27'C, it's so hot I can't stay outside without either chugging 1000 glasses of water a minute or taking off my shirt and pants. And somehow people say B87 botevs, but I guarantee he's nowhere near as bad about misrepresenting his climate as you are. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:02:25 GMT -5
And somehow people say B87 botevs, but I guarantee he's nowhere near as bad about misrepresenting his climate as you are. Posting official climate data is not boteving. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:05:10 GMT -5
And somehow people say B87 botevs, but I guarantee he's nowhere near as bad about misrepresenting his climate as you are. Posting official climate data is not boteving. Exactly. I'm just saying because people have accused you of boteving, but I don't see it either. I was just using you for comparison purposes. Joe seems us to want us to believe his climate on a small subantarctic island is a Mediterranean paradise though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 12:51:27 GMT -5
Quit boteving. Your summers are cool and you know it because you live them. The average of your average high and low for January is 17.7'C. In Fahrenheit, it's 63.8'F. Just looking at that temperature sounds cool to me. If I think about it too long, it turns green in my mind, a cool color. What is your preferred room temperature? Do you reach for your winter jacket when it's 1'C less than that? That's "dressing up to counter the cold". By your logic, you're saying I think 22'C is cold and I have to dress differently to adapt to it, just because it's below my neutral temperature. News flash: I don't even really notice if it goes up or down a degree, I'm not Wilko! Definitely below 21'C is when I begin to notice a chill in the air. Do I start wearing a jacket in 21'C just because I feel a chill? No. It doesn't even bother me if I'm out in 15'C in a T-shirt. It's chilly, yes, but it's not cold to the point I need to dress differently to counter it. If all New Zealanders kept their houses/apartments at 15'C, you might have a point, and then the 23'C of a summer day would feel warm. But as it stands, you can't claim your summers are anything but mild or cool. I'd be willing to bet the average person does feel chilly outside most of the day in the summer. They just aren't wearing big insulated jackets because there's a difference between "pleasantly cool" and "uncomfortably cold", and nobody considers room temperature uncomfortably cold. To go in the other direction, feeling warm would be the same as taking off clothes to counter the heat. So at 27'C, it's so hot I can't stay outside without either chugging 1000 glasses of water a minute or taking off my shirt and pants. And somehow people say B87 botevs, but I guarantee he's nowhere near as bad about misrepresenting his climate as you are Your idea that the average person feels cold most of the day outside during a summer here, is consistent with your odd logic. How am I'm misrepresenting my climate? - by claiming that the average summer daytime doesn't feel pleasantly cool? At the peak heat of the day when it's 23'C, that wouldn't feel distinctly cool unless there's a strong wind. For the high to be 23'C, however, that doesn't mean it is 23'C the whole day; it could be that temperature for just five minutes and the rest of the day could theoretically all be below 20. I'd imagine it's far from 23'C at, say, 10 am, even though that is still an hour of the day, let alone an hour of broad daylight. If it's 18'C at 10 am, that's an example of a decidedly cool temperature during daytime hours. Given the average high and low, I'd imagine the temperature are usually cool before noon and after 6 pm, thus 75% of the entire day. Exactly. I'm just saying because people have accused you of boteving, but I don't see it either. I was just using you for comparison purposes. Joe seems us to want us to believe his climate on a small subantarctic island is a Mediterranean paradise though.How is 41"S subantarctic? Paradise is subjective, and the rain distribution here has the same base cause as mediterranean distribution. Olive, grape, and cirtus do all grow here, which is why overseas visitors can assume that it is a mediterranean climate. You're only at 41'S? I thought you were farther south than that, especially considering London has warmer average highs at the peak of summer than you do. As for your precipitation pattern, then my dream climate is Csa. Nope; it's not. I don't know of a system that considers your climate Mediterranean. Your January still has 82.2 mm of precipitation, wetter than any month in London, and 9 wet days. |
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