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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 13:19:43 GMT -5
You're only at 41'S? I thought you were farther south than that, especially considering London has warmer average highs at the peak of summer than you do. As for your precipitation pattern, then my dream climate is Csa. Nope; it's not. I don't know of a system that considers your climate Mediterranean. Your January still has 82.2 mm of precipitation, wetter than any month in London, and 9 wet days. I don't consider the climate Mediterranean - just that it has a distribution of rainfall for the same reason as Mediterranean climates do. Pay a little more attention. Average rainfall days for Motueka during January is 6. Wikipedia says it's 9, supposedly citing NIWA, with a 1 mm cutoff. What's your source that it's only 6? |
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Post by Steelernation on Nov 13, 2020 13:53:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure I'd agree - chilly days aren't at all common here in summer (and certainly not a bunch). September's warmest day in Rochester would only be about 3C more than Motueka during March, and 2C in August/February - hardly what I'd call interesting heat, and it certainly wouldn't compensate for the feeling that Rochester is quickly racing towards winter. Motueka is a warmer summer than a Rochester september, and lacking in the cold days that Rochester would typically experience during that month. The fact that you mention Rochester having a bunch of chilly days in September really just highlights how soon the cold starts there. The coldest day in a typical Rochester September is like 14/5 c which isn’t that much cooler than Motueka’s coldest summer days. I also never argued Rochester has interesting heat, it doesn’t, but Motueka doesn’t either. I’d say about a third to a half of September days feel chilly, that number would be a lot less in Motueka since i wouldn’t be used to warmer temperatures for 3 months but still some days would feel chilly. For 91-20, Rochester averages 22.8/11.7 in September so it’s just an argument over decimals. |
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Post by knot on Nov 13, 2020 16:39:40 GMT -5
Just LOL @ NZ being a "subantarctic island"   Not even the southernmost cape is "subantarctic". And @josecanyousee97 …are you seriously arguing that it's "subantarctic", due to summers being slightly cooler than London's?! FFS! Winter matters a lot more than summer for the subantarctic label—in fact, winter is the only thing separating a cool temperate and a subantarctic climate. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2020 20:17:28 GMT -5
Just LOL @ NZ being a "subantarctic island" Not even the southernmost cape is "subantarctic". And @josecanyousee97 …are you seriously arguing that it's "subantarctic", due to summers being slightly cooler than London's?! FFS! Winter matters a lot more than summer for the subantarctic label—in fact, winter is the only thing separating a cool temperate and a subantarctic climate. Yo, I thought NZ was farther south than it is. Not sure why I was thinking it was closer to 45-50'S and thus had more of a Southern Ocean influence on its climate, but that's the only reason I said that. |
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Post by irlinit on Nov 14, 2020 4:39:18 GMT -5
Motueka. Summers are worse but I couldn't put up with the freezing winters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 6:21:16 GMT -5
Just LOL @ NZ being a "subantarctic island" Not even the southernmost cape is "subantarctic". And @josecanyousee97 …are you seriously arguing that it's "subantarctic", due to summers being slightly cooler than London's?! FFS! Winter matters a lot more than summer for the subantarctic label—in fact, winter is the only thing separating a cool temperate and a subantarctic climate. That would make Eureka subarctic then? Eureka is around 40N and it has considerably cooler summers than anywhere in England from Yorkshire southwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 6:59:09 GMT -5
Just LOL @ NZ being a "subantarctic island" Not even the southernmost cape is "subantarctic". And @josecanyousee97 …are you seriously arguing that it's "subantarctic", due to summers being slightly cooler than London's?! FFS! Winter matters a lot more than summer for the subantarctic label—in fact, winter is the only thing separating a cool temperate and a subantarctic climate. That would make Eureka subarctic then? Eureka is around 40N and it has considerably cooler summers than anywhere in England from Yorkshire southwards. Yeah, what's Eureka's problem anyway? Those summers are abysmal, especially for the latitude. My July average high is 10'C warmer and I'm several degrees farther north. I'd say my climate is closer to subarctic, but there are places with subarctic climates that have warmer summers than Eureka by a significant margin. |
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Post by knot on Nov 14, 2020 7:01:11 GMT -5
That would make Eureka subarctic then? Eureka is around 40N and it has considerably cooler summers than anywhere in England from Yorkshire southwards. Absolutely not—did I not just mention that winter is, in fact, more important than summer? You've got it backwards. Northern England is remarkably more subarctic than Eureka, due to much colder winters. …Or, perhaps, you were adressing Jose? |
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Post by knot on Nov 14, 2020 7:05:53 GMT -5
Yeah, what's Eureka's problem anyway? Those summers are abysmal, especially for the latitude. My July average high is 10'C warmer and I'm several degrees farther north. It's called sea-fog. As soon as you head even slightly inland, that fog "burns off" very rapidly (likewise SF). IMO, for that reason, Eureka doesn't count as having a truly "cool" summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 7:17:39 GMT -5
Yeah, what's Eureka's problem anyway? Those summers are abysmal, especially for the latitude. My July average high is 10'C warmer and I'm several degrees farther north. It's called sea-fog. As soon as you head even slightly inland, that fog "burns off" very rapidly (likewise SF). IMO, for that reason, Eureka doesn't count as having a truly "cool" summer. Even Fortuna, a bit farther south and 9 miles inland, has an average high of only 21.1'C in the warmest month. I'd still consider that a shit climate. |
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Post by knot on Nov 14, 2020 7:26:36 GMT -5
Even Fortuna, a bit farther south and 9 miles inland, has an average high of only 21.1'C in the warmest month. I'd still consider that a shit climate. 9 miles? LOL, that's not even remotely "inland". Try Ararat in Western Victoria—more than 200 km inland (@ 37° S), yet look at those summer averages: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat,_Victoria#Climate Let's see what happens at 200 km inland in Cali at that latitude… |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 7:51:40 GMT -5
That would make Eureka subarctic then? Eureka is around 40N and it has considerably cooler summers than anywhere in England from Yorkshire southwards …Or, perhaps, you were adressing Jose? That. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2020 8:17:02 GMT -5
Even Fortuna, a bit farther south and 9 miles inland, has an average high of only 21.1'C in the warmest month. I'd still consider that a shit climate. 9 miles? LOL, that's not even remotely "inland". Try Ararat in Western Victoria—more than 200 km inland (@ 37° S), yet look at those summer averages: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat,_Victoria#Climate Let's see what happens at 200 km inland in Cali at that latitude… Man, not even 1000 feet above sea level and the summers there are still that crappy. 37'N in California is a lot farther south than we were talking about originally. At 37'N on the coast, we have Santa Cruz, with an average temperature in August of 17.3'C (23.5/12.2). Some 200 km inland takes us to Madera, with an average temperature in July of 26.6'C (36.8/16.3) - substantially warmer both during the day and at night. The other factor that creates this big difference is the changes in elevation along the way; there's a mountain range separating Santa Cruz and Madera. Compare that to western Europe, where England and Poland at the same latitude both have shitty summers. |
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Post by chesternz on Nov 15, 2020 2:18:02 GMT -5
Motueka. Montauk has warmer summer nights but the highs aren't that much warmer and the winters are quite a bit colder.
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Post by Strewthless on Nov 15, 2020 5:37:21 GMT -5
Montauk easily.
Motueka is too Oceanic for my tastes.
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Post by jetshnl on May 29, 2021 15:55:06 GMT -5
Motueka wins handily in this one.
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Post by tommyFL on May 29, 2021 15:56:20 GMT -5
Motueka
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Post by deneb78 on May 29, 2021 16:13:20 GMT -5
Motueka by miles. Much better climate overall. No citrus growing in Montauk.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on May 29, 2021 17:51:58 GMT -5
Motueka barely, I like its warmer winters.
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Post by Cadeau on May 30, 2021 13:01:06 GMT -5
The cfb oceanic one.
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