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Post by Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Dec 25, 2020 10:35:28 GMT -5
Which places other than southern Australia has frequent and significant cold fronts in the summer? I guess parts of the PNW and maybe parts of Europe get some.
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Post by knot on Dec 25, 2020 16:11:57 GMT -5
Which places other than southern Australia has frequent and significant cold fronts in the summer? I guess parts of the PNW and maybe parts of Europe get some. Sorrowfully wrong! Summer cold fronts, although strong, are not even remotely "frequent" in Southern AU—depending on how you define, Southern. They are few and far-between in most of the inland south; often heatwaves can go uninterrupted for more than two weeks before a cold front strikes…and when it does, it only lingers for a day or two before swiftly returning to prolonged, hot, and dry conditions.
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Post by greysrigging on Dec 25, 2020 18:02:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't use the word 'frequent' during the summer months, although they are certainly a feature of the southern coastline. Often these colder frontal systems only 'clip' the coasts and don't venture too far inland. Using the State of Victoria as a classic example, the northern districts including the Murray Valley can have prolonged heat without being impacted by frontal systems that pass through the southern regions. The Great Dividing Range runs in a general North East - South West direction in Victoria, before turning almost due West and petering out in Western Victoria. Summer frontal changes generally only impact the regions south of the Ranges. The southern Victorian coastline'( including Melbourne ) has the classic '4 seasons in one day' variability and changeability in weather patterns. Some years, a 'blocking high' is established over the Tasman Sea, and in summer this will enhance hot dry weather, with winds imported south from the dry inland, and the frontal systems barely touch the extreme southern coasts. 'Blocking highs' in winter often means less rain, and clear sunny days and more frequent cold frosty nights. Here's the latest synoptics showing some frontal systems.
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Post by MET on Dec 25, 2020 18:31:25 GMT -5
We can get quite a lot of them in summer if there is an active jetstream over the UK as has been common in recent summers. Usually there's a lot of frontal rain that lasts several hours. But I've also seen a strong summer cold front passage here with barely any rain and followed by clear, windy conditions. One occurence is the "Spanish Plume" of warm and humid air, followed by a sharp cold front. If the airmass ahead of it is suitably unstable and the timing is right, convection can build in the evening and take advantage of cloud top cooling allowing widespread thunderstorms to break out ahead of the cold front. We had one of these on 12th August this year.
We also had a significant cold front on July 31st-August 1st, with a thunderstorm on July 31st after reaching 34°C, and the high the next day 21°C. We also had a significant cold front in late June, 26th-27th to be precise, with a severe hailstorm about 1-2 miles from here affecting parts of east Sheffield. Max temps from 30-21°C in 24 hours.
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Post by rozenn on Dec 25, 2020 18:38:53 GMT -5
Ditto for here, cold front are frequent around these parts in summer. If we're lucky they're accompanied by storms or at least frontal rain. Nowadays though, the dreaded cold change, only bringing in lame oceanic air without any precipitation, is becoming more and more frequent.
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Post by Ethereal on Dec 25, 2020 18:55:27 GMT -5
Coastal South Africa perhaps? Not sure about frequent though.
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Post by Beercules on Dec 25, 2020 20:37:20 GMT -5
SE Australia, mostly Southern Victoria. Southern Victoria can barely string together 2 days of heat because of the endless parade of cold fronts clipping the coast. Frequency and perceived dogshit declines as you head inland.
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Post by Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Dec 26, 2020 1:48:52 GMT -5
Coastal South Africa perhaps? Not sure about frequent though. Mthatha, in a plateau northeast of East London, gets heat waves from the Kalahari and highs drop below 20 and it gets very humid due to monsoonal systems connecting with Antarctic fronts. Very interesting climate. Sadly this is not the case for Cape Town. This happens a lot, highs will drop from 34 on Tuesday to 17 Friday, although differences between extreme heat and cool is a more of a few-days period unlike coastal VIC.
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Post by Beercules on Dec 27, 2020 4:24:59 GMT -5
Pretty much nowhere in the northern hemisphere at 35-40* latitude gets summer cold fronts and cold invasions with the regularity that SE Aus does.
Compare the temps along the Med in Europe to even inland Victoria and SE Sth Aus, and it is hilariously warmer, especially for lows. Just about everywhere in the USA aside from coastal California at the same latitudes has summers an order of a magnitude warmer than SE Australia.
Eu and the US have landmasses to the north, so can maintain summer heat at 35-40N, while SE Australia has an extremely cold ocean with no stops in between. Nothing, NOTHING to obstruct the regular parade of cold fronts and southerlies year round. The only reason why SE Australia can get any spell of heat is because a high has decided to park in the Tasman sea, directing northerlies over the SE and deflecting the cold fronts. But that often doesn't last more than a week, best case scenario 2 weeks. Anything more is hideously rare. Even in a rare best case scenario, sneaky back door southerlies often infect southern Vic every few days if not more.
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Post by greysrigging on Dec 27, 2020 4:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by Ariete on Dec 27, 2020 5:31:01 GMT -5
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Post by Marcelo on Dec 30, 2020 15:07:46 GMT -5
Well, definitely Central and Southern Argentina and Chile. Valdivia, Chile (40°S, near sea level) has recorded an all-time low of -0.4°C in January (!).
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Post by Marcelo on Dec 30, 2020 15:21:11 GMT -5
Yeah. To sum it up, wherever in the Southern Hemisphere from 35 to 55°S is eternally beaten by cold front after cold front.
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Post by knot on Dec 30, 2020 17:00:52 GMT -5
Yeah. To sum it up, wherever in the Southern Hemisphere from 35 to 55°S is eternally beaten by cold front after cold front. LOL, no. More like 40° to 55° S.
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