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Post by Donar on Jun 11, 2019 13:27:28 GMT -5
Trial build-up of our Eddy-Covariance Station with a CSAT-3B Sonic Anemometer, Li-7500RS H2O/CO2 infrared gas analyzer, Kipp&Zonen CNR4 Netto Radiometer and a heat flux plate.
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Post by Cadeau on Oct 17, 2019 7:16:23 GMT -5
Seoul Meteorological ObservatoryHad to climb the hill for a while to find the entrance. This building was originally headquartered of the Korea Meteorological Administration. The Seoul Meteorological Observatory is an observation site representing the weather in Seoul and has been in existence since 1933. The Korea Meteorological Administration (KMA), which was here from 1953 to 1998, moved to what is now the Sindaebang-dong building, leaving only the weather station. The observatory uses weather observation equipment installed on the roof of the building and observes temperature, humidity, wind, precipitation, solar radiation, sunshine, evaporation, yellow dust, earthquakes, etc. and manually observed by observer for clouds, visibility, and weather phenomena. In addition, we will observe seasonal of the flower blooming period, the autumn foliage period of Bukhansan Mountain, the first snow/frost, and the freezing time of the Han River.The seismic sensor has been installed since 2016. The Gyeongju Earthquake caused the Korean people to be wary of earthquakes since then. Magpies are considered as auspicious in Korea. I like the doorknob that features the lion's face. We were thinking to enter further inside but not sure if it would cause any trouble, so went back down after enjoyed the scenery for about half an hour.
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Post by Babu on Oct 17, 2019 16:47:36 GMT -5
Seems it's on a nice mildhill
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Post by Donar on May 30, 2020 9:59:08 GMT -5
The weather station of my institute, managed by a colleague of mine. Radiometer for direct and diffuse solar radiation and an anemometer are on a nearby rooftop. This station is more representative of the city than the official DWD station.
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Post by Cadeau on Sept 11, 2020 7:01:01 GMT -5
Revisited Phare de Chassiron yesterday. There was an exhibition going on so they temporarily placed Meteo France signboard on the ground. The picture quality got improved a lot with my iPhone 11 compared to iPhone 7.
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Post by Babu on Jan 14, 2021 12:43:33 GMT -5
The traffic agency has got two weather stations 20-30km inland of Umeå at around 100m ASL. This is how they're placed: Brattby: Långviksvallen: The Brattby station looks to be about 4m from the actual road asphalt. However, the ground right next to it is gravelly soil without any grass. The Långviksvallen station looks to be about 6m from any asphalt or non-grassy terrain. However, it's surrounded by dense vegetation within half a meter from the station. Do you think these stations are placed well enough to be used as some sort of representation for the climate and weather in nearby villages? If I present data from these stations, are you going to "attack" me for using shitty botev stations or are they fine?
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Post by Babu on Jan 25, 2021 7:08:21 GMT -5
I just ordered a tiny Inkbird thermometer/hygrometer with built-in data logger and bluetooth receiver. Apparently it's supposed to be accurate to ±0.5°F and ±3% RH. Pretty neat and seems like incredible value for money. Could probably buy some random radiation cover from Amazon and stick it in there. Unfortunate that live in a top-floor apartment building. I could potentially hide it somewhere in the middle of the woods or something like that. Doubt anyone would sabotage it if they were to stumble into it. inkbird.shop/products/ibs-th1-mini
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Post by flamingGalah on Jan 25, 2021 7:23:16 GMT -5
The traffic agency has got two weather stations 20-30km inland of Umeå at around 100m ASL. This is how they're placed: Brattby: Långviksvallen: The Brattby station looks to be about 4m from the actual road asphalt. However, the ground right next to it is gravelly soil without any grass. The Långviksvallen station looks to be about 6m from any asphalt or non-grassy terrain. However, it's surrounded by dense vegetation within half a meter from the station. Do you think these stations are placed well enough to be used as some sort of representation for the climate and weather in nearby villages? If I present data from these stations, are you going to "attack" me for using shitty botev stations or are they fine? These sort of roadside stations are only for use by the Highways Agency in the UK so they know when to send gritters out etc.. They are not WMO standard & are not used by the Met Office who do use data from other entities such as the Environment Agency, who record rainfall at many different locations. I guess they can be useful, but I wouldn't use them over proper official stations.
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Post by Beercules on Jan 25, 2021 7:31:16 GMT -5
As far as temps go, the second station in your pics Babu is hideously placed. Its temps are not valid as far as I'm concerned. It's not even the road that is the main problem here, but that bush surrounding the thing on 3 sides. That is one mad "UHI", or PHI - plant heat island. That same bush also restricts airflow and probably shades the thing, messing with high temps aswell. The first one is too close to the road, but I am sure it wouldn't modify the temps nearly as much as that jungle. I think the jungle one is safely in the botev category. edit - here is another angle of the 2nd station..... wow, no, NO. That is not even close to being legitimate. That is beyond all Botevs.
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Post by Babu on Jan 25, 2021 7:35:19 GMT -5
As far as temps go, the second station in your pics Babu is hideously placed. Its temps are not valid as far as I'm concerned. It's not even the road that is the main problem here, but that bush surrounding the thing on 3 sides. That is one mad "UHI", or PHI - plant heat island. That same bush also restricts airflow and probably shades the thing, messing with high temps aswell. The first one is too close to the road, but I am sure it wouldn't modify the temps nearly as much as that jungle. I think the jungle one is safely in the botev category. edit - here is another angle of the 2nd station..... wow, no, NO. That is not even close to being legitimate. That is beyond all Botevs. In what matter would you estimate the jungle station to differ from a properly placed one? Milder or cooler lows, milder or cooler highs?
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Post by Beercules on Jan 25, 2021 7:51:37 GMT -5
Certainly warmer lows as the natural radiational cooling is obviously affected by that rainforest canopy. As far as daytime goes, the excessive shading and restriction of airflow will modify high temps.
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Post by Donar on Feb 16, 2021 12:10:29 GMT -5
The weather station of my institute, managed by a colleague of mine. Radiometer for direct and diffuse solar radiation and an anemometer are on a nearby rooftop. This station is more representative of the city than the official DWD station.
I had the opportunity to visit our rooftop instruments, here is a picture of the pyranometer for global radiation, and a second one with a shadow ring for diffuse solar radiation:
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 5, 2021 15:17:44 GMT -5
Ambient Weather WS-2902C Temperature sensor height: 6 ft (1.8 m) Station elevation: 11 ft (3 m ) ASL Surface: Non-irrigated grass
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Post by Babu on May 19, 2021 8:44:01 GMT -5
I've set up a PWS. The radiation cover isn't very good at all. Mostly just takes away the worst of the albedo as well as protecting from rain. For that reason it's necessary that it's placed somewhere that won't get direct sunlight during any part of the day (which during the summer is pretty much any direction lol). The tree trunk serves to block any direct sunlight at noon, and the radiation cover should be good enough to protect from sunlight slipping through the conifer branches during the rest of the day, as well as during overcast conditions such as today. Its location is in that group of spruces in the middle of the frame, on the backside of a county-owned facility, on the other side of a major road. I.e. not a place anyone is going to randomly walk through very often at all. Also relatively well hidden between the trees. Its location within the city. Very good representation of what the average person in the university side of the city experiences. I'm using one of these tempodiscs as a temperature logger. bluemaestro.com/products/tempo-disc-bluetooth-temperature-humidity-sensor-beacon-loggerIt's rated at a typical accuracy of 0.3'C, with a maximum of 0.4'C, so that seems good. The main problem is that it's obviously a lot slower at changing temperature than a probe thermometer. This will likely affect highs and lows a little. I have it set on logging every five minutes. When I put it in my backpack and left my apartment to set it up, this is what it recorded: At 13:43 it was 15.1'C, and at 13:58 it had reached the 13.8'C at which it settled. So 15 minutes for that last 1.3'C to change. The uni station was about 14.2'C during that time, and the temperature can be assumed to have been reasonably steady. These were the university station's hourly mean, max and min readings. The airport station was 13.8'C at 13.00, 13.7'C at 14.00 and 13.9'C at 15.00. Since it's overcast, the temperature should be relatively homogenous within 5km distances, so I'd say the accuracy of the thermometer and radiation cover is sufficient in overcast conditions. Naturally, a station placed surrounded by trees isn't ideal. The humidity can be higher and therefore temps cooler. It's mostly conifer trees though so hopefully this effect is kept to a minimum. It reduces windspeeds as well, which is a problem since my thermometer is slow to change temperature as it is. Luckily it's not located in an actual forest, just in a minor bundle of trees. I'll be interested in following up on the readings this thermometer record and see how much it differs from other stations nearby in terms of highs and lows during various weather conditions, as well as delays in temperature changes. Regarding humidity and DP readings I don't really care much about that, and I have little trust in humidity readings of unprofessional equipment that hasn't been calibrated. The Umeå airport station was 13.8'C @ 58% RH at 14.00. My station was 13.8'C @ 52.8% RH at 14.03. The sensor is rated with a typical accuracy of 3% and a maximum accuracy of 4%, but that's probably after calibration. Was the air actually drier around my pws? Wouldn't really count on it. Ariete What's your honest opinion? I know you joked around quite a bit while we were discussing this the other day.
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Post by Babu on May 20, 2021 5:19:14 GMT -5
I have good news. Last night my station recorded a low of 6.6'C. The Uni station recorded a low of 6.6'C. The airport station recorded a low of 1.8'C. At 12.05 my station was 17.5'C. The Uni station was 17.9'C. The Airport was 17.8'C at 12.00.
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Post by Babu on May 20, 2021 11:24:07 GMT -5
Overlapped the airport's hourly readings along with the PWS readings. Too bad there aren't any more frequent readings than hourly for SMHI stations
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Post by Ariete on May 20, 2021 11:33:54 GMT -5
I have good news. Last night my station recorded a low of 6.6'C. The Uni station recorded a low of 6.6'C. The airport station recorded a low of 1.8'C. At 12.05 my station was 17.5'C. The Uni station was 17.9'C. The Airport was 17.8'C at 12.00.
Good, seems to be at least somewhat reliable.
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Post by Babu on May 20, 2021 11:37:16 GMT -5
The Uni station only has minute data using their own graph, so I tried to match my graph to that one as best I could. I'm very pleased with the performance of this PWS setup. It seems to read similar lows and temp patterns as the uni station 700m away, with similar night time lows, but with cooler daytime temps. If anything, daytime temps are cooler than the airport station, which is a good indication that it's just as shielded, if not more, from radiation as an official station. The high for today was 19.7'C at my PWS. Curious to see, in a couple hours, what it was at the airport and how they match up. The Uni station got up to 21.6'C on its roof patio. (These graphs aren't synced 100% perfectly. I just cropped them in a way that looked about right) Edit: my high was 19.7'C and the airport high was 19.8'C. I think it's safe to say that the readings of my PWS are accurate, both in sunny and cloudy weather. Highs and lows can be assumed to be slightly compressed when the highs and lows occur as shortlived spikes. Maybe a 0.3'C too low highs and too high lows in general. Something like that.
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Post by Babu on May 22, 2021 6:30:37 GMT -5
AJ1013 Raised concerns about the station being located on the top of a hill, so I figured I'd talk a little about its topographical location. There is a very smooth and consistent sloping gradient down to the river, and the total elevation change is about 30m in 900m. That's a very minor sloping that fits well into any WMO station criteria. It's also not on the top of a hill, in fact the terrain is 7m higher just 100m away. Compared to the general area, I'd like to claim that the topography of the station is very average and representative for the general University-Ålidhem area. The lows are indeed going to be slightly higher than if it were placed further down the slope closer to the river, but then it will also be less representative of the general student populace, and one of the main points of the PWS is to add a reference point to compare the airport station with. The airport station is already in very low altitude place without UHI close to the river. Placing my PWS closer to the river would make both the UHI level and topography closer to the airport station, and at that point it becomes really pointless to even have the PWS to begin with, seing as the point is to get an idea of how the climate varies within the city. The two theories that I'm most interested in testing with my PWS is: 1. That the airport records lows that are not representetive of what the people living in Umeå are likely to experience 2. That the airport is more susceptible to sea breeze due to having large fields and river deltas between it and the sea. My hypothesis is that the northern/eastern side of the river in Umeå is going to be noticably less susceptible to sea breeze due to heavy taiga forestation on the entire north/east side of the river, whereas the southern/western side is just a bunch of flat agricultural fields. I also believe that the urban environment itself can help slow down the sea breeze as well. My hypothesis is thus that on certain warm and sunny days, especially in the first half of summer, the Airport station is going to start plateauing very early in the day, as soon as 11.00, and that my PWS is going to keep rising as the airport stops. We've already concluded that my PWS does not record warmer highs during sunny weather than the airport station normally, which means that if we do see a large difference during a sea-breezy day, it's going to be a true difference. Here's a satellite image showing the clear difference in forestation on each side of the river. (AJ also said my station was in the middle of the UHI. That's obviously false. It's clearly located at a very average distance from the center.) I drew a rough draft of what I hypothesize that I'll see on certain specific days.
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Post by Crunch41 on May 24, 2021 11:10:25 GMT -5
Babu I thought you were using a sensor on an apartment balcony and was surprised it was so accurate. Now I know. This is a good set-up for a PWS in my opinion.
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