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Post by Babu on Mar 22, 2022 6:22:18 GMT -5
I've made a new (very) DIY radiation shield, using plastic plant pot saucers with a diameter of 21 cm. They were pretty off-white and also translucent so I've covered them with aluminum foil. I know titanium oxide paint is better than aluminum but I'm hoping aluminum should do fine at least for the time being. Initial tests seem to suggest it's suitable for direct sunlight but we'll see. At the moment it's reading 7.4'C, same as the uni station. The airport station seems to have dropped rapidly down to 3.5'C in the last hour. My balcony is 11'C in the shade. Just an experimental placement since it's not exacly inconspicuous and I haven't exactly asked anyone for permission to place a curious looking weather station in the wide open like this. Hopefully I'll be able to have it there for a whole day at least without anyone touching it.
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Post by Babu on Mar 22, 2022 8:06:04 GMT -5
As an experiment, I've also placed out a completely unshielded temp logger right by the hospital in a place that doesn't get direct sunshine anytime during the day. It's obviously got a ridiculous micro-UHI by normal standards, being surrounded by buildings to all sides, walls just 1.5 meters away, and without any grass for dozens of meters in any direction. However, since there's no direct sunlight anyway near the thermometer, I don't expect it to matter all that much. Neither walls nor asphalt/gravel matter much unless they're hit by direct sunlight. I'd even argue that asphalt is a more meteorologically accurate surface than grass if the station is placed in the shade, because grass, that isn't even hit by sunlight, is going to be a fair bit colder than the ambient air temperature (whereas in an open spot grass is better since it keeps the ground from warming up too much compared to the ambient air during sunshine).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 18:17:23 GMT -5
I've made a new (very) DIY radiation shield, using plastic plant pot saucers with a diameter of 21 cm. They were pretty off-white and also translucent so I've covered them with aluminum foil. I know titanium oxide paint is better than aluminum but I'm hoping aluminum should do fine at least for the time being. Initial tests seem to suggest it's suitable for direct sunlight but we'll see. At the moment it's reading 7.4'C, same as the uni station. The airport station seems to have dropped rapidly down to 3.5'C in the last hour. My balcony is 11'C in the shade. Just an experimental placement since it's not exacly inconspicuous and I haven't exactly asked anyone for permission to place a curious looking weather station in the wide open like this. Hopefully I'll be able to have it there for a whole day at least without anyone touching it. What a beautiful city! And the snow is already melting?
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Post by Babu on Mar 23, 2022 17:36:36 GMT -5
I've got some interesting initial results. PWS 1 is the dyi radiation shield thingy, PWS 2 is the "naked" temperature logger in the shade. Looking at the far left of the chart, you'd think there was some serious inaccuracy, but the airport had actually recently made a 3'C temp drop in the last hour, and PWS 1 was in line with the uni station (slightly cooler even). Between 15 and 16 yesterday there was a 1'C discrepency between the diy radiation shield PWS 1 and the shaded PWS 2. I don't know if this was due to over-reading due to insufficient radiation cover, or if it's simply due to the sheltered and shaded location of PWS 2 not being able to rise as quickly in temperature during sunshine compared to a station placed in sunlight where the warm air can rise freely from the sunlit ground. Interesting night differences during this clear night, and interesting how similar PWS 1 and PWS 2 were today until 15:40 when PWS 1 tipped over and started recording temps 10 cm above ground until I fixed it around 21:00. If you'd only compare PWS 1 and the airport, you'd think PWS 1 is over-reading heavily and would be unusably inaccurate, but since PWS 1 and PWS 2 seem very much in line with eachother (with PWS 2 showing a slight delay in temps), I'm not sure the discrepency compared to the airport is due to insufficient radiation shielding, or else the shaded PWS 2 would be significantly cooler than PWS 1. Also, there's a large tree close to PWS 1 which means it's shaded for a short time sometime before noon. If the difference compared to the airport were to be due to insufficient radiation shielding, you should be able to notice a significant dip reflecting the time spent in the shade, but there isn't really anything that sticks out on the chart. Also worth mentioning is the Uni station has been the same or slightly warmer than PWS 1 pretty much every time I've compared the two. Some of today's stats:
| High | Low | PWS 1 | 11.2 | -2.7 | PWS 2 | 10.8 | -0.8 | Airport | 10.4 | -4.1 |
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Post by Benfxmth on Apr 8, 2022 11:19:23 GMT -5
This will likely be the final placement of my PWS for here. I know temps (especially on clear, calm nights) may be unrepresentative of the area (being right at the Neuse River), but I also ran into issues with the temperature sensor overheating from inadequate ventilation when placed further west in my backyard, in the order of 2-3°F. I also spray painted the rain collector cone white to reduce its temperature, and may need to calibrate rain gauge sometime in the future. Update April 20th: I'll caution that temps can be several °F warmer some nights compared to a few hundred feet inland, especially when under easterly flow, so keep that in mind. And I found that rainfall totals have been pretty close with steady rain on Monday (was within 0.05" of KEWN except when a more discrete band of showers arrived with the cold front).
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Post by Babu on Apr 21, 2022 10:20:08 GMT -5
I was starting to worry I might have serious issues with radiation shielding on my station, because the last few sunny days my station has recorded highs multiple degrees warmer than the airport, and even up to a degree warmer than the Uni station. Today my station recorded 17.3'C, while the Uni station only recorded 16.3'C, and the PWS just west of Umeå's border only recorded a high of 15.6'C. The warmest hourly reading at the airport has been below 15'C too. This is the current placement of the station. I moved it slightly so that I'd have a clear line of sight from my balcony. As you can see it's about 8 meters away from the road, and pretty near some (bare) bushes (the tall bushes look like they're closer to the station than the actual 2-3 meters). It's also about 1.5 m high which is within the WMO standard but lower than the more typical 2.0 m. I checked with a grill thermometer and when placing the thermometer right underneat the station (in its shade), the thermometer would read about the same or warmer, and when I inserted the thermometer probe inside the radiation shield it would read the same or slightly lower. Of note is that the temperature could easily vary by a whole degree within a 50 meter area when I walked around with the thermometer in the shade generated by my own body. And as soon as there was a gust of wind, the temps could drop by up to 2 degrees. My conclusion is that there is a vast difference between the temperature >5m up in the air, and the air closer to the ground, and any wind mixing the air will dramatically decrease the 1.5-2m temps. Likewise, areas with dry grass or leafy ground will be substantially warmer than places just a dozen meters away with wet ground from nearby snow piles or recent snowcover. Winds could be absolutely non-existant for quite long periods of time, allowing hot thermals from dry ground to rise and increase 1.5-2m temps really dramatically. Thus I actually do trust the readings from my PWS. However, as I biked around the area (holding the meat thermometer), I did notice that most places were a degree cooler than the particular spot where my station is placed, either because of more recent snow cover or, counterintuitively, because of too many houses nearby. I noticed the more densely built neighborhoods had cooler temps which I believe is because most of the sun's rays strike the sides and tops of the buildings, leaving the ground mostly in shade (and so while 5m temps were probably warmer, the 2m temps weren't as warm). I suspect the cool airport temps is due to all the nearby fields having snowcover until perhaps very recently, meaning it's either going to be very cool due to snow, or slightly cool due to wet ground. There likely isn't any dry ground for quite a distance. Also, there are huge fields there and so the wind is always a fair bit stronger, both at the airport but also in that general area, which on a day like this one seems to have a substantial effect on temps.
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Post by tommyFL on Feb 26, 2023 17:49:49 GMT -5
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Post by tommyFL on Mar 4, 2023 17:38:12 GMT -5
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Post by Benfxmth on Mar 11, 2023 11:01:36 GMT -5
More recent pics of my PWS, as of February 9. I have installed a mast to anchor it to the ground shortly after getting it setup last year, so it doesn't wobble around in windy weather (I didn't post pics of it earlier).
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 15, 2023 15:40:41 GMT -5
A new type of remote weather station I've been working on - a remote temperature/humidity transmitter that mounts to any sort of round column, in either a horizontal or vertical direction. It accepts U-bolts for mounting to tube up to 3" diameter, and hose clamps for up to 21" diameter. This allows it to be mounted to almost any telephone pole, light pole, or tree. It's spaced 3 ft away from the structure to reduce the effects of any heat or moisture it may be emitting. Just like my other station, this one transmit data via cellular but it's way more portable without the mast and tripod. A pressure sensor and rain gauge could probably be added in the future but I don't have any intention of doing that. Same type of sensor/radiation shield setup as the other station. Sensirion SHT85 sensor and RM Young shield.
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 16, 2023 16:35:10 GMT -5
For the first real-world test, I went for something different and placed it in a highly exposed, coastal location. The bark of the palm isn't very flat so it sits at a bit of an angle, but I think it shouldn't affect things much.
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Post by AJ1013 on Apr 16, 2023 18:44:10 GMT -5
For the first real-world test, I went for something different and placed it in a highly exposed, coastal location. The bark of the palm isn't very flat so it sits at a bit of an angle, but I think it shouldn't affect things much. If you wanted a highly exposed coastal station why not go for Jupiter Island. Somewhere around here goo.gl/maps/2iETb9KJyPriiUkM7
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Post by tommyFL on Apr 28, 2023 18:31:09 GMT -5
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 6, 2023 20:16:57 GMT -5
How I've been collecting data since May 1st: temperature/humidity using my custom cellular station with the much more accurate sensor and radiation shield, while still retaining the old Ambient PWS for rainfall. Finishing up my new rain gauge soon so that will obsolete shortly though.
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Post by tommyFL on Jul 16, 2023 14:42:47 GMT -5
Rain gauge
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Post by flamingGalah on Oct 17, 2023 15:21:59 GMT -5
I just got back from a little break over to the Isle of Wight & stayed in Shanklin, which is officially the sunniest place in the UK, (that has a Met Office weather station at least), with an annual average of 1976.04hrs Met Office Shanklin Climate Averages 1991-2020I thought it would be fun to try & find the weather station & located it in a park just outside the town centre. It's a manual station & has been at this site since 1947 & at another site in the town from 1905. The only equipment here was the Stevenson screen containing the thermometers & a manual rain gauge, so I had to try & find out where the sunshine was recorded. Looking online I discovered that since 1948 sunshine has been recorded on the roof of the Shanklin Theatre, so the next day I took a stroll there. It's located in the highest part of the town & I guess at the time must have been the tallest building too. I didn't think I'd be able to see the sunshine recorder or even where it was located but walking round the side I noticed a flat roofed area at the back of the theatre which had some telecommunications equipment on it, but couldn't see anything else So then I tried around the other side of the building & spotted the Campbell Stokes sunshine recorder Apparently the only access to this roof is from the ladder up the side of the building, so every day since 1948 some poor bugger has had to go up & down to get the readings
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Post by Beercules on Dec 1, 2023 6:16:05 GMT -5
This is where I intend to put my PWS. The tree loppers came on Monday and demolished the giant tree that enveloped the whole backyard (and which could be seen from space), and I personally fucked off a few other useless small trees myself over the last couple of days. How far should I sit the sensor off the ground?
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Post by Benfxmth on Dec 1, 2023 6:25:32 GMT -5
This is where I intend to put my PWS, now that the giant tree was removed earlier this week, and a few other useless trees, which I personally fucked off outta here myself, are now gone. How far should I sit the sensor off the ground?I'm thinking the standard sensor height (around 5-7 ft, 1.5-2.1 m, maybe the higher end of the range to get better passive ventilation from breezes, judging by those pics)? Not quite sure how much those homes/bushes would block wind. Just my two cents
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Post by Beercules on Dec 2, 2023 1:20:33 GMT -5
Alright, so I installed my PWS. The sensor sits 1680mm above ground, tommyFL recommended 2m, but this is the longest pole I had. I may get a longer pole in the near future, depending on what the obs do. This is the most exposed place I could find. The dirt under it is cooler than the white gravel. I may plant some grass. I'll give it a day to "break in" and see how we go. I'm thinking I'll put the rain gauge on the same pole. Now comes the nervous wait, especially near sunset and sunrise, if I get that damn heat spike, this thing is going in the bin, and I'm gonna be pissed off to say the least. If that happens then I'll just put it on my black roof and be the hottest climate on Earth like Lindos and wherever Easthomosexual lives on the Cornish coast. Looking SE NE NW SW
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Post by Beercules on Dec 2, 2023 8:01:42 GMT -5
First afternoon and evening with the PWS, all looking good so far. No dipshit temp spikes at the low sun angle, wind matches the predominant direction from the nearest BOM stations, and temps / DP is within reason. Real test will come tomorrow and Monday, clear skies with light winds... The SR/SS times are obviously BS, but that can easily be fixed.
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