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Post by Steelernation on Apr 25, 2021 18:58:43 GMT -5
Since you've explained on the Shoutbox that the voting count remains valid as long as voting before the time stated in the blue words, no matter the next round begins in advance. So the red words can cause a potential dispute in the future again. I still don’t think you’re understanding. That was only for the first two “rounds”. Although there were two, they were all part of the first round. Just the first 8 matchups went, then the next 8. With the rounds now and later, it’s all the same round. So if I ended early people would start voting on matchups including the winning climates so no more votes from previous rounds could be counted. Before, people were voting on a different set of climates so it didn’t matter if the winners changed due to late votes. Anyway I won’t end these next rounds early so the point is moot. |
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Post by Crunch41 on Apr 25, 2021 19:23:34 GMT -5
rozenn can I download it? I'm trying to calculate who I should pick to make my climate win. 1) Morningrise for having very similar temps to here. Not enough snow in winter but it's still decent. JG has good seasonal range but is warmer than I like. 2) Cadeau. Ral's climate is more exciting but summer is too hot for me. 3) Tommy. Wet summers > Wet winters. Summers are ridiculously stable though. If that rain falls in boring drizzle instead of storms I might change my vote. 4) Ariete. Generally similar to here but with the wet season in fall instead of summer and with tiny diurnals in winter. Still good. Gior is decent but I like having a winter season. 5) Wildcat. Cooler all year. 6) Steeler. Drier than I like, but it's more variable and has colder winters than Marcelo. 7) Angler. Caspase is slightly colder overall but it's also too wet. Angler gets more snow and has a hotter record high, too. 8) Nei. I generally want summer wetter than winter, but I'll take the cooler climate of neipolis over the very wet summers of Megalatopolis.
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Post by ral31 on Apr 25, 2021 20:05:22 GMT -5
1. Morningrise - better temps in JG but summer's too dry
2. Ral
3. Tommy - better precip pattern
4. Ariete - I want strong winter cold snaps and snow.
5. Wildcat - easy choice
6. Marcelo - more rainfall & warmer summer nights
7. Caspase - difficult choice; went with Caspase for more summer rainfall
8. Meteoman - better winter cold snaps and more storms, though max temps better in Nei's
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Post by Cadeau on Apr 25, 2021 20:15:00 GMT -5
I still don’t think you’re understanding. That was only for the first two “rounds”. Although there were two, they were all part of the first round. Just the first 8 matchups went, then the next 8. With the rounds now and later, it’s all the same round. I have already acknowledged the concept. What's the point of setting different due dates of the 1st matchups(22nd April) and the 2nd matchups(25th April) then? Following this logic, you could've counted the 1st matchups until the 25th at your will since all first two rounds were not completed. Also, you've initially updated the tournament bracket after when you posted the 2nd matchups(total of 33 voters) and that was your intent to conclude the 1st matchups at that instant. To me, it feels like you didn't consider the consequence of what will happen if there are a number of late joiners. However, nobody went force to end it earlier arbitrarily, it's you who decided to change in effect. So if I ended early people would start voting on matchups including the winning climates so no more votes from previous rounds could be counted. Before, people were voting on a different set of climates so it didn’t matter if the winners changed due to late votes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Why did you count Nei and Grey's votes which leads to a contradiction of your statement? Anyway I won’t end these next rounds early so the point is moot. Okay, so no need to say I may end it sooner |
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 25, 2021 20:54:10 GMT -5
I have already acknowledged the concept. What's the point of setting different due dates of the 1st matchups(22nd April) and the 2nd matchups(25th April) then? I set due dates to divide them up so people wouldn’t have to vote on 16 battles at once.
Following this logic, you could've counted the 1st matchups until the 25th at your will since all first two rounds were not completed. Yes I would have had people voted for the first set of matchups until then.Also, you've initially updated the tournament bracket after when you posted the 2nd matchups(total of 33 voters) and that was your intent to conclude the 1st matchups at that instant. The plan was to split it up into 2 groups so people wouldn’t have to vote on 16 matchups at once. I had intended to end the matchups at that point because I didn’t think anyone else would vote. But then people did, and I realized it didn’t matter if the results changed, so I decided to count them. In hindsight, I probably should not have moved up the due date.That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Why did you count Nei and Grey's votes which leads to a contradiction of your statement? It doesn’t contradict my statement. Nobody had started voting on 2nd round matchups that involved the climates that won so if their votes changed who won, it wouldn’t have mattered. Okay, so no need to say I may end it sooner
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Post by Cadeau on Apr 25, 2021 21:33:23 GMT -5
I have already acknowledged the concept. What's the point of setting different due dates of the 1st matchups(22nd April) and the 2nd matchups(25th April) then? I set due dates to divide them up so people wouldn’t have to vote on 16 battles at once.
Following this logic, you could've counted the 1st matchups until the 25th at your will since all first two rounds were not completed. Yes I would have had people voted for the first set of matchups until then.
┗→ (Re-reply) Cadeau: Supporting the idea, why you were even bothered to put the 1st matchup due date. It's clearly deceiving the information.Also, you've initially updated the tournament bracket after when you posted the 2nd matchups(total of 33 voters) and that was your intent to conclude the 1st matchups at that instant. The plan was to split it up into 2 groups so people wouldn’t have to vote on 16 matchups at once. I had intended to end the matchups at that point because I didn’t think anyone else would vote. But then people did, and I realized it didn’t matter if the results changed, so I decided to count them. In hindsight, I probably should not have moved up the due date.┗→ (Re-reply) Cadeau: But you mentioned earlier in the Shoutbox that you also had another intend to replace the winner if the counts were flip around if several additional people voted after your declare of ending the 1st matchups.That's exactly what I'm trying to say. Why did you count Nei and Grey's votes which leads to a contradiction of your statement? It doesn’t contradict my statement. Nobody had started voting on 2nd round matchups that involved the climates that won so if their votes changed who won, it wouldn’t have mattered. ┗→ (Re-reply) Cadeau: Are you claiming that nobody voted for the 2nd matchups yet before Nei and Grey posted for the 1st matchups?Okay, so no need to say I may end it sooner
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Post by rozenn on Apr 25, 2021 21:52:51 GMT -5
rozenn can I download it? I'm trying to calculate who I should pick to make my climate win. 1) Morningrise for having very similar temps to here. Not enough snow in winter but it's still decent. JG has good seasonal range but is warmer than I like. 2) Cadeau. Ral's climate is more exciting but summer is too hot for me. 3) Tommy. Wet summers > Wet winters. Summers are ridiculously stable though. If that rain falls in boring drizzle instead of storms I might change my vote. 4) Ariete. Generally similar to here but with the wet season in fall instead of summer and with tiny diurnals in winter. Still good. Gior is decent but I like having a winter season. 5) Wildcat. Cooler all year. 6) Steeler. Drier than I like, but it's more variable and has colder winters than Marcelo. 7) Angler. Caspase is slightly colder overall but it's also too wet. Angler gets more snow and has a hotter record high, too. 8) Nei. I generally want summer wetter than winter, but I'll take the cooler climate of neipolis over the very wet summers of Megalatopolis. Here it is. FWIW it just tells you if a vote is aligned with someone's preferences, bar any subjective bias, so I'm not sure how it can help you with your Machiavellian strategy. And be aware that it's a tedious process so best used when suspicions are strong: you have to enter the 3 climate boxes manually as they haven't embedded a weatherbox scan yet. I've suggested they do so for convenience. Download the Strategic-o-Meter now. Free 1-month trial! |
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 25, 2021 21:58:22 GMT -5
CadeauSupporting the idea, why you were even bothered to put the 1st matchup due date. It's clearly deceiving the information. Well I didn’t think anyone would vote after it. And anyway I did and it’s over.But you mentioned earlier in the Shoutbox that you also had another intend to replace the winner if the counts were flip around if several additional people voted after your declare of ending the 1st matchups.Yes as it didn’t matter if the winner was replaced since no one had started voting on the second round involving that climate. Again, at first I didn’t account for the possibility people would have late votes.Are you claiming that nobody voted for the 2nd matchups yet before Nei and Grey posted for the 1st matchups?Yes, given that the second round didn’t start until today that is what I’m claiming.
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Post by Cadeau on Apr 25, 2021 22:27:19 GMT -5
Cadeau Supporting the idea, why you were even bothered to put the 1st matchup due date. It's clearly deceiving the information. Well I didn’t think anyone would vote after it. And anyway I did and it’s over.┗→Cadeau: Means you should exclude the latest 2 votes of the 1st matchups in the next update because those two people posted after you ended the 1st matchups. Otherwise the result is not reflecting an integrity.But you mentioned earlier in the Shoutbox that you also had another intend to replace the winner if the counts were flip around if several additional people voted after your declare of ending the 1st matchups.Yes as it didn’t matter if the winner was replaced since no one had started voting on the second round involving that climate. Again, at first I didn’t account for the possibility people would have late votes.┗→Cadeau: Of course it affects on the second round depends on who's their opponent, if the 16 matchups were possibly flipped around because you're changing your mind every moment whether the votes are valid in certain time or not without informing.Are you claiming that nobody voted for the 2nd matchups yet before Nei and Grey posted for the 1st matchups?Yes, given that the second round didn’t start until today that is what I’m claiming. ┗→Cadeau: You said 2nd round matchups in the previous reply. |
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Post by кунтель on Apr 25, 2021 22:32:10 GMT -5
lol @this thread
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Post by Steelernation on Apr 25, 2021 22:56:29 GMT -5
┗→Cadeau: Means you should exclude the latest 2 votes of the 1st matchups in the next update because those two people posted after you ended the 1st matchups. Otherwise the result is not reflecting an integrity.That’s what this over? The score? Doesn’t matter so I’m not gonna change it. ┗→Cadeau: Of course it affects on the second round depends on who's their opponent, if the 16 matchups were possibly flipped around because you're changing your mind every moment whether the votes are valid in certain time or not without informing.Well no one had voted on the matchups involving those climates when the late votes could have changed the result. So it wouldn’t have mattered. ┗→Cadeau: You said 2nd round matchups in the previous reply.
Yes, 2nd round matchups just started today. All the ones before today were first round, just divided in two. Anyway this is all over stuff that was already happened and late votes can’t possibly be counted for the rounds coming and I don’t think I can make myself more clear and it’s derailing the thread so I’m done with this argument. |
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Post by кунтель on Apr 26, 2021 0:45:13 GMT -5
Morningrise
Ral
Tommy
Ariete
Wildcat
Steeler
AW
MM
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Post by Babu on Apr 26, 2021 2:09:35 GMT -5
1. Morningrise
2. Cadeau
3. Tommy. Better precipitation pattern, smaller diurnal ranges, cooler records in summer, higher top-variation in winter.
4. Ariete
5. Wildcat
6. Marcelo
7. Caspace
8. Nei
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Post by Babu on Apr 26, 2021 2:10:57 GMT -5
Next tournament, dream climates should be sent in via private messages, and then be assigned an anonymous code or number during the battles. That way there'd hopefully be less personal bias.
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Post by Gior on Apr 26, 2021 2:41:59 GMT -5
Next tournament, dream climates should be sent in via private messages, and then be assigned an anonymous code or number during the battles. That way there'd hopefully be less personal bias. Agreed. This would be a good idea imo |
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Post by knot on Apr 26, 2021 2:42:06 GMT -5
Next tournament, dream climates should be sent in via private messages, and then be assigned an anonymous code or number during the battles. That way there'd hopefully be less personal bias. LOL, you seriously think it's personal?? I neither rate nor vote for stupid, low-effort climates like yours. |
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Post by Babu on Apr 26, 2021 3:04:37 GMT -5
Next tournament, dream climates should be sent in via private messages, and then be assigned an anonymous code or number during the battles. That way there'd hopefully be less personal bias. LOL, you seriously think it's personal?? I neither rate nor vote for stupid, low-effort climates like yours. Did I call you out personally? No. I strongly believe that a lot of people's votes are affected in one way or another by whose climate they're voting for. Most people aren't affected much at all, if any. Others are more strongly affected. A lot of people are probably affected without realizing it. |
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Post by Donar on Apr 26, 2021 3:19:54 GMT -5
1. Morningrise
2. Ral
3. Tommy
4. Ariete
5. Wildcat
6. Marcelo
7. Caspase
8. nei
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Post by Gior on Apr 26, 2021 3:59:33 GMT -5
1. Jg - By miles
2. Ral - Even though it has colder winters than Cadeau's climate, everything else is much better
3. Tommy - Both are absolutely fantastic climates, some of my favorites in the tournament. Close battle, I'll give the edge to Tommy in a 51/49 decision due to a better precip pattern and marginally better temps
4. Gior - obvs
5. Noodle - Argh, this one is very hard. Wildcat's is a pinch too cool, while Noodle's is a bit too hot. Both are solid B climates. I'll give this one to Noodle in another 51/49 decision
6. Marcelo - By miles
7. AW - AW's is superior despite cooler winters
8. Nei - Meteoman's climate is very good, but Nei's is amazing
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Post by caspase8 on Apr 26, 2021 5:16:27 GMT -5
1. JG: Milder winters make up for the arid summers
2. Ral: Wetter and more interesting
3. Tommy: Wet summers are better than dry summers
4. Gior: Ariete's winters are too cold
5. Wildcat: Same reason as 3. Also better temperatures
6. Marcelo: Probably my favourite dream climate on here apart from mine
7. Caspase: Better precipitation pattern although both have good temperatures
8. Nei: Cooler (better) temperatures and more reasonable rainfall
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