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Post by Crunch41 on Sept 5, 2021 14:12:35 GMT -5
F, too hot in all months.
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Post by ilmc90 on Jul 4, 2022 11:35:05 GMT -5
F
Hot, humid and boring.
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Post by psychedamike24 on Jul 4, 2022 14:40:37 GMT -5
Without record temps, sunshine, or humidity stats it just looks like Manila to me. Not shitty enough to warrant a F IMO (that would be Dallol, Mecca, the parts of the Persian Gulf that experience ultra-high dew points more often, or the parts of Pakistan west of the Indus that experience freakishly high dew points due to a lack of monsoon rain to cool them down).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 16:52:13 GMT -5
D. No good month, though no month that is truly lethal.
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Post by Ethereal on Jul 4, 2022 21:04:10 GMT -5
E-
Grotesque. Its "dry" season saves it from an F.
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 16, 2022 12:10:20 GMT -5
It seems that most members in this forum hate warm climates, but not as much as City-data. That climate ain’t warm, it’s sweltering and humid, too rainy. I’m sure a lot of people here would like this climate if it was drier. |
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 16, 2022 20:36:54 GMT -5
It seems that most members in this forum hate warm climates, but not as much as City-data. That climate ain’t warm, it’s sweltering and humid, too rainy. I’m sure a lot of people here would like this climate if it was drier. It's warm. |
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 23, 2022 14:00:22 GMT -5
That climate ain’t warm, it’s sweltering and humid, too rainy. I’m sure a lot of people here would like this climate if it was drier. It's warm. Nope Athens is warm Rome is warm Jerusalem is warm Nice, France is warm Barcelona is warm Madrid is warm Istanbul is warm Negros is sweltering and not much different than the biblical hell |
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Post by deneb78 on Aug 23, 2022 18:30:51 GMT -5
Solid A. It would be an A+ if it didn't have so much rain.
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 23, 2022 20:37:56 GMT -5
Nope Athens is warm Rome is warm Jerusalem is warm Nice, France is warm Barcelona is warm Madrid is warm Istanbul is warm Negros is sweltering and not much different than the biblical hell All of those places in Mediterranean countries are actually cool in the winter - though I'll agree about most being warm in summer. If Negros was actually as formidable as you're making it sound, people wouldn't live there year-round - let alone over 600,000 in the city of Bacolod alone. |
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Post by MET on Aug 23, 2022 20:56:53 GMT -5
But all its inhabitants are bug-eating poors like most tropical climates.
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 23, 2022 21:19:08 GMT -5
Nope Athens is warm Rome is warm Jerusalem is warm Nice, France is warm Barcelona is warm Madrid is warm Istanbul is warm Negros is sweltering and not much different than the biblical hell All of those places in Mediterranean countries are actually cool in the winter - though I'll agree about most being warm in summer. If Negros was actually as formidable as you're making it sound, people wouldn't live there year-round - let alone over 600,000 in the city of Bacolod alone. There are 300 000 people living in Yakutsk, one of the coldest places on Earth, that doesn’t make Yakutsk a climate made for human inhabitation. The same thing applies to Negros. But all its inhabitants are bug-eating poors like most tropical climates. That’s true, almost every tropical country is dirt poor for some reason, with Singapore being a rare exception. |
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 24, 2022 19:57:37 GMT -5
All of those places in Mediterranean countries are actually cool in the winter - though I'll agree about most being warm in summer. If Negros was actually as formidable as you're making it sound, people wouldn't live there year-round - let alone over 600,000 in the city of Bacolod alone. There are 300 000 people living in Yakutsk, one of the coldest places on Earth, that doesn’t make Yakutsk a climate made for human inhabitation. The same thing applies to Negros. But all its inhabitants are bug-eating poors like most tropical climates. That’s true, almost every tropical country is dirt poor for some reason, with Singapore being a rare exception. Humans have adapted to the climate of Yakutsk, and humans have adapted to the climate of Negros - and TBH, when you look at where humanity originated (as I discussed in the other thread), I'd expect it would have been easier for us to adapt to Negros than Yakutsk. You can see evidence of that in that billions of people worldwide live in tropical regions (there are massive cities with notorious steambath climates like Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore, etc.) and very few people who live at latitudes like Yakutsk's. As for poverty in tropical countries - consider how long a lot of these countries were fucked over by European colonial powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. Decades of exploitation is going to take a while to fully recover from. At least seek solace in that your average person in the so-called "third world" (at least pre-covid) is a LOT better off now than they were as recently as the 90s. |
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 24, 2022 20:22:45 GMT -5
There are 300 000 people living in Yakutsk, one of the coldest places on Earth, that doesn’t make Yakutsk a climate made for human inhabitation. The same thing applies to Negros. That’s true, almost every tropical country is dirt poor for some reason, with Singapore being a rare exception. Humans have adapted to the climate of Yakutsk, and humans have adapted to the climate of Negros - and TBH, when you look at where humanity originated (as I discussed in the other thread), I'd expect it would have been easier for us to adapt to Negros than Yakutsk. You can see evidence of that in that billions of people worldwide live in tropical regions (there are massive cities with notorious steambath climates like Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore, etc.) and very few people who live at latitudes like Yakutsk's. As for poverty in tropical countries - consider how long a lot of these countries were fucked over by European colonial powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. Decades of exploitation is going to take a while to fully recover from. At least seek solace in that your average person in the so-called "third world" (at least pre-covid) is a LOT better off now than they were as recently as the 90s. People have adapted to Vostok Station, and we are going to adapt to Mars one day. That doesn’t mean that humans are supposed to live there. Thousands of people die of hypothermia and heat stroke every year in Siberia and in the Tropics. Just try living without air conditioning in Florida and you’ll see what I mean. And guess what? Those poor Tropical countries were poor even before Europeans fucked them. A lot of tropical countries haven’t been colonized either and they are still poor. The tropical environment prevented civilization from developing in those places. I knew someone who lived in the tropical area of my country and she said that they can’t grow shit there. They can’t grow wheat, corn, apples, Raspberries and Potatoes can barely be grown there. The vegetables that grow are usually eaten by bugs or mold. And she doesn’t live in an arid location, she lives in a rainforest, so lack of precipitation isn’t the reason why those vegetables don’t grow well there. There are also diseases that prevent those places from developing. The only reason why billions of people live in the tropics is because poverty makes people have more children. Those places also have high mortality rates. |
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on Aug 25, 2022 11:54:11 GMT -5
Humans have adapted to the climate of Yakutsk, and humans have adapted to the climate of Negros - and TBH, when you look at where humanity originated (as I discussed in the other thread), I'd expect it would have been easier for us to adapt to Negros than Yakutsk. You can see evidence of that in that billions of people worldwide live in tropical regions (there are massive cities with notorious steambath climates like Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore, etc.) and very few people who live at latitudes like Yakutsk's. As for poverty in tropical countries - consider how long a lot of these countries were fucked over by European colonial powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. Decades of exploitation is going to take a while to fully recover from. At least seek solace in that your average person in the so-called "third world" (at least pre-covid) is a LOT better off now than they were as recently as the 90s. People have adapted to Vostok Station, and we are going to adapt to Mars one day. That doesn’t mean that humans are supposed to live there. Thousands of people die of hypothermia and heat stroke every year in Siberia and in the Tropics. Just try living without air conditioning in Florida and you’ll see what I mean. And guess what? Those poor Tropical countries were poor even before Europeans fucked them. A lot of tropical countries haven’t been colonized either and they are still poor. The tropical environment prevented civilization from developing in those places. I knew someone who lived in the tropical area of my country and she said that they can’t grow shit there. They can’t grow wheat, corn, apples, Raspberries and Potatoes can barely be grown there. The vegetables that grow are usually eaten by bugs or mold. And she doesn’t live in an arid location, she lives in a rainforest, so lack of precipitation isn’t the reason why those vegetables don’t grow well there. There are also diseases that prevent those places from developing. The only reason why billions of people live in the tropics is because poverty makes people have more children. Those places also have high mortality rates. Other than potatoes, all other crops have varieties that can grow in tropical climates. Also, most other crops grow in tropical climates. Rice, Corn, Yam, Sweet potato, Cassava, Pineapple, Mango, Papaya, Bananas, Passion fruit, cocoa, sugarcane, tea, cashew, sorghum etc. I consume sorghum and millets more than potatoes. What grows in one area will have an alternative in another area. From your posts you seem to demonize tropical climates. One may not like a climate, but you can't demonize any climate other than the polar climates. We can adapt to all climates, but adapting to tropical wet climates is much easier than subarctic climates. Not all tropical countries are poor, and many of these poor countries were rich. |
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Post by AJ1013 on Aug 25, 2022 12:08:23 GMT -5
Tropical climates are miserable without Air Conditioning, which wasn't widespread until just a few decades ago. "Primitive" forms of adaptation like fire and clothing can make cold temperatures comfortable.
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Post by massiveshibe on Aug 25, 2022 12:16:00 GMT -5
People have adapted to Vostok Station, and we are going to adapt to Mars one day. That doesn’t mean that humans are supposed to live there. Thousands of people die of hypothermia and heat stroke every year in Siberia and in the Tropics. Just try living without air conditioning in Florida and you’ll see what I mean. And guess what? Those poor Tropical countries were poor even before Europeans fucked them. A lot of tropical countries haven’t been colonized either and they are still poor. The tropical environment prevented civilization from developing in those places. I knew someone who lived in the tropical area of my country and she said that they can’t grow shit there. They can’t grow wheat, corn, apples, Raspberries and Potatoes can barely be grown there. The vegetables that grow are usually eaten by bugs or mold. And she doesn’t live in an arid location, she lives in a rainforest, so lack of precipitation isn’t the reason why those vegetables don’t grow well there. There are also diseases that prevent those places from developing. The only reason why billions of people live in the tropics is because poverty makes people have more children. Those places also have high mortality rates. Other than potatoes, all other crops have varieties that can grow in tropical climates. Also, most other crops grow in tropical climates. Rice, Corn, Yam, Sweet potato, Cassava, Pineapple, Mango, Papaya, Bananas, Passion fruit, cocoa, sugarcane, tea, cashew, sorghum etc. I consume sorghum and millets more than potatoes. What grows in one area will have an alternative in another area. From your posts you seem to demonize tropical climates. One may not like a climate, but you can't demonize any climate other than the polar climates. We can adapt to all climates, but adapting to tropical wet climates is much easier than subarctic climates. Not all tropical countries are poor, and many of these poor countries were rich. Corn doesn’t grow in tropical climates, and most of the food you mentioned are fruits and not vegetables, that means it’s harder to cultivate them. Besides, a lot of people are allergic to some of those fruits you mentioned, including myself. I’m allergic to pineapples. “Not all tropical countries are poor, and many of these poor countries were rich.” Those are very few exceptions. Singapore and Hong Kong got a lot of investment from other countries and the rich countries in Africa that used to be rich quickly collapsed even before they were colonized. Even with the colonized countries, you can see a pattern. The richest nations in Africa for example, are mostly Temperate. Botswana, South Africa are the richest countries in Africa and also the coldest due to their high elevation and distance from the equator. I’m not demonizing tropical climates, I’m just saying that they aren’t good places to live. I also dislike Mediterranean climates, but I can’t deny how good they are for civilization. |
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Post by Ariete on Aug 25, 2022 13:36:17 GMT -5
Other than potatoes, all other crops have varieties that can grow in tropical climates. Also, most other crops grow in tropical climates. Rice, Corn, Yam, Sweet potato, Cassava, Pineapple, Mango, Papaya, Bananas, Passion fruit, cocoa, sugarcane, tea, cashew, sorghum etc. I consume sorghum and millets more than potatoes. What grows in one area will have an alternative in another area. From your posts you seem to demonize tropical climates. One may not like a climate, but you can't demonize any climate other than the polar climates. We can adapt to all climates, but adapting to tropical wet climates is much easier than subarctic climates. Not all tropical countries are poor, and many of these poor countries were rich.
Except for Indonesia, the tropical areas of the world have been historically very sparsely populated. Countries like The Philippines and DR Congo have had a population boom only because of medical improvements to tropical diseases. For example in 1920 The Philippines had half of the population of Poland, which is cool temperate.
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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 26, 2022 6:35:35 GMT -5
Humans have adapted to the climate of Yakutsk, and humans have adapted to the climate of Negros - and TBH, when you look at where humanity originated (as I discussed in the other thread), I'd expect it would have been easier for us to adapt to Negros than Yakutsk. You can see evidence of that in that billions of people worldwide live in tropical regions (there are massive cities with notorious steambath climates like Bangkok, Jakarta, Singapore, etc.) and very few people who live at latitudes like Yakutsk's. As for poverty in tropical countries - consider how long a lot of these countries were fucked over by European colonial powers in the 19th and 20th centuries. Decades of exploitation is going to take a while to fully recover from. At least seek solace in that your average person in the so-called "third world" (at least pre-covid) is a LOT better off now than they were as recently as the 90s. People have adapted to Vostok Station, and we are going to adapt to Mars one day. That doesn’t mean that humans are supposed to live there. Thousands of people die of hypothermia and heat stroke every year in Siberia and in the Tropics. Just try living without air conditioning in Florida and you’ll see what I mean. And guess what? Those poor Tropical countries were poor even before Europeans fucked them. A lot of tropical countries haven’t been colonized either and they are still poor. The tropical environment prevented civilization from developing in those places. I knew someone who lived in the tropical area of my country and she said that they can’t grow shit there. They can’t grow wheat, corn, apples, Raspberries and Potatoes can barely be grown there. The vegetables that grow are usually eaten by bugs or mold. And she doesn’t live in an arid location, she lives in a rainforest, so lack of precipitation isn’t the reason why those vegetables don’t grow well there. There are also diseases that prevent those places from developing. The only reason why billions of people live in the tropics is because poverty makes people have more children. Those places also have high mortality rates. It's hard to say "people have adapted to Vostok Station" when nobody lives there permanently, and I'd imagine the workers at the bases spend the majority of their time indoors where it isn't, well, cold as fuck all the time. The Mars comment is even sillier; nobody lives there, and it's a long way from even being CLOSE to livable for humans even at our current level of technological advancement - not least because it has virtually no atmosphere. Remember that the majority of Americans didn't have air conditioning until the 70s - meaning plenty of people survived Florida without it for generations. The same applies for every tropical or downright hot place people have thrived for millennia. How did we do it? We adapted. And to be honest, there wasn't really that much to adapt to in terms of climate in some of these places. Regarding poverty in tropical countries once again - virtually everyone alive prior to the industrial revolution would be considered "really poor" by modern standards. Everyday people now have luxuries that even the richest people alive in the early 20th century could only dream of. Remember how recent of an invention air conditioning and refrigeration are, to say nothing of television, computers, and cellphones. Also remember that many great civilizations thrived in hot places long before the advent of air conditioning. Apparently you've never heard of the Kingdom of Kush, to the south of Egypt in ancient times; or the Kingdom of Aksum, in modern Eritrea and Ethiopia; or let alone the Mali Empire in the 13th-16th centuries, known the world over for its wealth and luxury at the time. Other people who know agriculture better than I do have already made counterarguments against that point. I understand if you don't like tropical climates - and your observation that tropical areas in the world today are substantially poorer than temperate area on average is correct - but your take does seem to rely on stereotypes of tropical areas that show your privilege as someone from a more-developed country. |
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Post by Ariete on Aug 26, 2022 8:44:44 GMT -5
It's hard to say "people have adapted to Vostok Station" when nobody lives there permanently, and I'd imagine the workers at the bases spend the majority of their time indoors where it isn't, well, cold as fuck all the time. The Mars comment is even sillier; nobody lives there, and it's a long way from even being CLOSE to livable for humans even at our current level of technological advancement - not least because it has virtually no atmosphere. Remember that the majority of Americans didn't have air conditioning until the 70s - meaning plenty of people survived Florida without it for generations. The same applies for every tropical or downright hot place people have thrived for millennia. How did we do it? We adapted. And to be honest, there wasn't really that much to adapt to in terms of climate in some of these places. Regarding poverty in tropical countries once again - virtually everyone alive prior to the industrial revolution would be considered "really poor" by modern standards. Everyday people now have luxuries that even the richest people alive in the early 20th century could only dream of. Remember how recent of an invention air conditioning and refrigeration are, to say nothing of television, computers, and cellphones. Also remember that many great civilizations thrived in hot places long before the advent of air conditioning. Apparently you've never heard of the Kingdom of Kush, to the south of Egypt in ancient times; or the Kingdom of Aksum, in modern Eritrea and Ethiopia; or let alone the Mali Empire in the 13th-16th centuries, known the world over for its wealth and luxury at the time. Other people who know agriculture better than I do have already made counterarguments against that point. I understand if you don't like tropical climates - and your observation that tropical areas in the world today are substantially poorer than temperate area on average is correct - but your take does seem to rely on stereotypes of tropical areas that show your privilege as someone from a more-developed country.
The Miami urban area was around the size of the Helsinki urban area in 1940. For a reason: no A/C.
Ethiopia is subtropical highland, and Aksum sits at almost 7000 ft elevation. For a reason: not hot.
The Kingdom of Mali was wealthy due to massive amounts of gold, and it's a big outlier. Tropical and extremely hot climates have generally been a disaster for civilisation. Only places with flood plains have had a genuine chance for success.
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