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Post by Cheeseman on Aug 27, 2022 7:18:56 GMT -5
It's hard to say "people have adapted to Vostok Station" when nobody lives there permanently, and I'd imagine the workers at the bases spend the majority of their time indoors where it isn't, well, cold as fuck all the time. The Mars comment is even sillier; nobody lives there, and it's a long way from even being CLOSE to livable for humans even at our current level of technological advancement - not least because it has virtually no atmosphere. Remember that the majority of Americans didn't have air conditioning until the 70s - meaning plenty of people survived Florida without it for generations. The same applies for every tropical or downright hot place people have thrived for millennia. How did we do it? We adapted. And to be honest, there wasn't really that much to adapt to in terms of climate in some of these places. Regarding poverty in tropical countries once again - virtually everyone alive prior to the industrial revolution would be considered "really poor" by modern standards. Everyday people now have luxuries that even the richest people alive in the early 20th century could only dream of. Remember how recent of an invention air conditioning and refrigeration are, to say nothing of television, computers, and cellphones. Also remember that many great civilizations thrived in hot places long before the advent of air conditioning. Apparently you've never heard of the Kingdom of Kush, to the south of Egypt in ancient times; or the Kingdom of Aksum, in modern Eritrea and Ethiopia; or let alone the Mali Empire in the 13th-16th centuries, known the world over for its wealth and luxury at the time. Other people who know agriculture better than I do have already made counterarguments against that point. I understand if you don't like tropical climates - and your observation that tropical areas in the world today are substantially poorer than temperate area on average is correct - but your take does seem to rely on stereotypes of tropical areas that show your privilege as someone from a more-developed country. The Miami urban area was around the size of the Helsinki urban area in 1940. For a reason: no A/C. Ethiopia is subtropical highland, and Aksum sits at almost 7000 ft elevation. For a reason: not hot. The Kingdom of Mali was wealthy due to massive amounts of gold, and it's a big outlier. Tropical and extremely hot climates have generally been a disaster for civilisation. Only places with flood plains have had a genuine chance for success.
Regarding Miami: partially correct in that much of its growth has been recent and because of AC. But the city itself is quite new, having only been incorporated in 1896 - and in fact, the reason people chose to settle down there near the tip of Florida is precisely because the crops down there were the only ones that didn't freeze. Going by percentages, the city of Miami's most-rapid growth periods were all pre-1950. Regarding Aksum: I'll concede for the most part, considering the capital was at 7,000 ft (with a temperate climate to match) above sea level. But the empire at its peak did include what's now Djibouti and parts of Yemen - places with very hot climates. Regarding Mali: It doesn't count because it doesn't fit your narrative. Got it. For the record, I'm not disputing that tropical rainforest and arid climates aren't as good for human civilization as more-temperate variants found elsewhere. |
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Post by Ariete on Aug 27, 2022 11:35:39 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not disputing that tropical rainforest and arid climates aren't as good for human civilization as more-temperate variants found elsewhere.
It seems that the keys to success in a pre-industrial society is either a temperate to warm climate (like France, Germany, Italy) or a subtropical climate which guarantees two harvests a year (India, China). Waterways are important, like large rivers, easily navigated seas and coastlines (Mediterranean, Japanese coast). The terrain has to be relatively easy to defend, with hills and forests, but not dense jungles or large mountains. A large population density and proximity to neighbours and rivals is also important.
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Post by Benfxmth on Feb 7, 2023 12:57:12 GMT -5
What is it with all the fake "cold lovers" arguing that tropical climates are uninhabitable lol? FFS people have lived without climate control or A/C reasonably comfortably in the tropics for millennia, you just need shade and water to survive in hot climates and don't need to take extreme precautions like in cold climates. All else equal, humans are much better adapted to warm weather than cold weather, no way around it.
Anyway, I rate Negros a B. Comfortably warm year-round, too wet though.
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Post by firebird1988 on Feb 7, 2023 13:06:30 GMT -5
C, good temps, bad rain & dews
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Post by massiveshibe on Feb 7, 2023 13:19:06 GMT -5
What is it with all the fake "cold lovers" arguing that tropical climates are uninhabitable lol? FFS people have lived without climate control or A/C reasonably comfortably in the tropics for millennia, you just need shade and water to survive in hot climates and don't need to take extreme precautions like in cold climates. All else equal, humans are much better adapted to warm weather than cold weather, no way around it. Anyway, I rate Negros a B. Comfortably warm year-round, too wet though. Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. |
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Post by firebird1988 on Feb 7, 2023 13:43:18 GMT -5
What is it with all the fake "cold lovers" arguing that tropical climates are uninhabitable lol? FFS people have lived without climate control or A/C reasonably comfortably in the tropics for millennia, you just need shade and water to survive in hot climates and don't need to take extreme precautions like in cold climates. All else equal, humans are much better adapted to warm weather than cold weather, no way around it. Anyway, I rate Negros a B. Comfortably warm year-round, too wet though. Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. If you're human, you have sweat glands... By the way, my family are Slavs (Czech's and Slovak's) yet I detest the climate of Eastern Europe and love warmth and sunshine |
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Post by 🖕🏿Mörön🖕🏿 on Feb 7, 2023 13:48:15 GMT -5
What is it with all the fake "cold lovers" arguing that tropical climates are uninhabitable lol? FFS people have lived without climate control or A/C reasonably comfortably in the tropics for millennia, you just need shade and water to survive in hot climates and don't need to take extreme precautions like in cold climates. All else equal, humans are much better adapted to warm weather than cold weather, no way around it. Anyway, I rate Negros a B. Comfortably warm year-round, too wet though. Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. I am a black Frenchman and I love polar climates. Kinda puts your theory in the dust, don't it? |
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Post by massiveshibe on Feb 7, 2023 15:53:53 GMT -5
Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. If you're human, you have sweat glands... By the way, my family are Slavs (Czech's and Slovak's) yet I detest the climate of Eastern Europe and love warmth and sunshine Apparently I have only a few sweat glands, most of them inactive. Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. I am a black Frenchman and I love polar climates. Kinda puts your theory in the dust, don't it? Nope, it just adds more credibility to what I said. |
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Post by Speagles84 on Feb 7, 2023 15:56:18 GMT -5
Vomit inducing
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Post by Cheeseman on Feb 7, 2023 22:02:26 GMT -5
Slavs, Vikings and Inuits have lived for centuries without climate control in the polar regions… they lived much more comfortably than the people in the tropics. Hell, even the ancient people lived better than most people in the tropics currently live. The average lifespan in Europe has always been higher than Africa and Asia, even during the dark ages. “You just need water to survive in hot climates” I might be wrong, but I think humans need food no matter the climate they live in. “Humans are much better adapted to warm than cold weather”. Compare the mortality rates between tropical and temperate countries. Humans are surviving easier in colder regions. Another important mention: most humans (not all) cool down through the evaporation of their sweat, and in humid equatorial regions the high humidity prevents the sweat from evaporating, making the most effective cooling system that humans have ineffective. If anything, humans are more adapted to dry regions than humid ones. Some people like me do not have sweat glands, or have inactive ones, possibly due to the lack of hot temperatures in the location they lived in. If you're human, you have sweat glands... By the way, my family are Slavs (Czech's and Slovak's) yet I detest the climate of Eastern Europe and love warmth and sunshine Similarly, my family came here from Germany and Scandinavia, and I strongly dislike those climates and prefer warmth and sunshine too. |
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Post by CRISPR on Feb 10, 2024 3:34:35 GMT -5
D-, year-round uncomfortable, but not deadly and likely many downpours
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