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Post by carr on Jan 1, 2022 21:20:56 GMT -5
Mount William, barely, for having warmer, wetter (and presumably less snowy) winters, less extreme record lows, and much drier summers. All of that outweighs Banner Elk’s warmer summer temperatures. I always laugh at the people who call places “warmer” that have colder average highs than a given location…you’re gonna be feeling colder in the climate you’re saying is “warmer” |
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Post by carr on Jan 1, 2022 21:22:09 GMT -5
My point being that do you really want to go with Umeåesque crummers and and colder shoulder seasons just because Banner Elk can experience -30C once in 50 years? Sounds quite non-canon to me relative to your normal preferences.
There’s some very weird logic to the city-data community on this matter. The only records you’ll ever see talked about like they’re averages are record cold temperatures on the North American continent specifically. Lmao. It’s like people just have an agenda… |
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Post by carr on Jan 1, 2022 21:22:51 GMT -5
My point being that do you really want to go with Umeåesque crummers and and colder shoulder seasons just because Banner Elk can experience -30C once in 50 years? Sounds quite non-canon to me relative to your normal preferences.
Well, looking at banner elk again the average temps are better overall. However there is still the chance of far colder temperatures for half the year there, where at least with Mt William you know what you're getting most of the time, even though by averages it's worse. It's not a super clear cut decision and it's not like Banner Elk is this super impressive climate either, they are both bad. As I also mentioned the rainfall pattern in Mt William is better, that Feb is nice and dry. If it was something like "which one would you rather spend a year in" then I would likely go for banner elk since obviously you're likely not going to see -30 or whatever. And the chance for far warmer…you can’t just exclude that important fact, lol. |
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 1, 2022 22:25:01 GMT -5
Mount William, barely, for having warmer, wetter (and presumably less snowy) winters, less extreme record lows, and much drier summers. All of that outweighs Banner Elk’s warmer summer temperatures. I always laugh at the people who call places “warmer” that have colder average highs than a given location…you’re gonna be feeling colder in the climate you’re saying is “warmer” You know, the average lows and daily means are both warmer in the AU location. And yes the NC location has potential for higher absolute maxima as well, but that comes with the chance at polar record lows  I prefer the AU location’s winter stability over NC’s volatility. Yes the NC location has better maxima, but again, it’s probably snowier and definitely gets more freezes and deep freezes. |
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Post by carr on Jan 1, 2022 22:58:30 GMT -5
I always laugh at the people who call places “warmer” that have colder average highs than a given location…you’re gonna be feeling colder in the climate you’re saying is “warmer” You know, the average lows and daily means are both warmer in the AU location. And yes the NC location has potential for higher absolute maxima as well, but that comes with the chance at polar record lows I prefer the AU location’s winter stability over NC’s volatility. Yes the NC location has better maxima, but again, it’s probably snowier and definitely gets more freezes and deep freezes. You're just repeating yourself. It's daily means aren't that radically different and average lows, and lows period, are felt during the nighttime or very early morning. "Polar record lows" come, what...every 50 years? If that? Even the average "cold snap" in such a region as Banner Elk isn't producing -30 degree record lows, and it's a mountain town anyways. Snow is immaterial. You're going to feel warmer in Banner Elk. Period. |
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Post by knot on Jan 1, 2022 23:04:26 GMT -5
^Spot-on, I'd agree with Carr on this one.
Mount William very frequently gets its minimum temperatures in full daylight (often midday to afternoon), so it'll give a strong impression of frequent sub-freezing daily maxes.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on Jan 1, 2022 23:07:39 GMT -5
Okay, but still I’ll take Mount William’s winters over those of Banner Elk, even if they “feel” cooler. I like cold rain and I despise snow, plus Mount William’s hardiness zone and growing season are longer. And fun fact: Mount William’s record low is warmer than Banner Elk’s average January low.
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Post by greysrigging on Jan 2, 2022 0:16:03 GMT -5
Okay, but still I’ll take Mount William’s winters over those of Banner Elk, even if they “feel” cooler. I like cold rain and I despise snow, plus Mount William’s hardiness zone and growing season are longer. And fun fact: Mount William’s record low is warmer than Banner Elk’s average January low. Myself, I'm reluctant to comment too much on this one, simply because the Mt William records only commened in 2006, so simply not enough recorded data. I'd wanna see a fair bit more re max and min temps, in particular the 5th, 10th, 90th and 95th %ile. Same goes for Banner Elk's lows, I'd like to see the same for those mininum temps ( the %ile that is ). I don't take a huge amount of interest in the absolute record lows which may well be in the 1 in 50 year range, but the %ile ( or frequency of such temps ) gives a better understanding of the climate. |
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Post by Ariete on Jan 2, 2022 15:09:12 GMT -5
There’s some very weird logic to the city-data community on this matter. The only records you’ll ever see talked about like they’re averages are record cold temperatures on the North American continent specifically. Lmao. It’s like people just have an agenda…
I don't think any poster here have genuine biases against North American climates in general, but I do agree focusing only on record lows is silly, especially if they might be quite ancient. While Banner Elk is certainly not a great climate for many people, at least the high sun period is much warmer, and personally is a much bigger consideration and benefit for me, and should be for most people who don't like cool summers.
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Post by CRISPR on Feb 28, 2024 14:47:12 GMT -5
Banner Elk for having better summers
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