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Post by Ethereal on May 26, 2022 5:40:04 GMT -5
BQ: Which is actually more accurate (at least, for your area)?
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Post by Cheeseman on May 26, 2022 6:12:49 GMT -5
Meteorological
Per my understanding, it's already the standard used everyday by people in the majority of the world - and quite frankly it makes more sense. It uses whole months, making it easy to understand intuitively when the next season begins as opposed to trying to remember of it's the 21st or 22nd this year. It comes closer to the actual temperature cycle in a lot of (not immediately coastal) temperate and humid continental places. Plus it's weird to think of summer as being a season of solely decreasing day lengths, with the longest day split between spring and summer, and the shortest split between autumn and winter. Besides, around here June 1 feels a lot more summery than September 1: by the latter, while it's still warmer on average, crisp fall-like mornings have arrived, back-to-school season is on, and people are already starting to get back into pumpkin spice-flavored stuff again.
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Post by MET on May 26, 2022 6:13:47 GMT -5
Meteorological.
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Post by Donar on May 26, 2022 8:01:39 GMT -5
Meteorological. The first three weeks of Mar, Jun, Sep and Dec definitely belong to the meteorological seasons here.
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Post by Speagles84 on May 26, 2022 8:11:40 GMT -5
Meteorological. The first three weeks of Mar, Jun, Sep and Dec definitely belong to the meteorological seasons here. Completely agree. And feeling wise, solar seasons almost are better than astronomical seasons. Ex:
Mid February: Sun is gaining strength fast, especially compared to the feeling of December. Seems like spring is on its way even if its still cold Mid May: Sun is nearly at full strength, even if its still chilly in the morning, having sunrises at 6am or earlier and sunsets at 830pm makes it feel like summer Mid August: Sun is losing strength fast. It may still be hot outside, but with sunsets pre 8pm and sunrises getting much later it feels as though fall is near. Mid November: Sun is already nearing its lowest point. A few days still have some warmth left, but that is not for long. Days are so dark you know winter is near.
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Post by Ethereal on May 26, 2022 9:34:11 GMT -5
It depends when it comes to Sydney:
*Summer does indeed start by Dec 1 as November is pretty much summery *March 21st starts feels like it's autumn, not March 1st (when it's still warm and humid) *June 1st definitely feels like the first day of winter *Sep 1 is pretty much like the first few weeks of spring here, because August itself is somewhat spring-like
So yeah, I'm guessing meteorological seasons win for Sydney.
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Post by jetshnl on May 26, 2022 9:37:29 GMT -5
Astronomical fits better for this climate in terms of seasonal progression.
March 1 - still has a winter snow pack, March 21 is better. June 1 - trees are still leafing out, June 21 is better. September 1 - trees are still green and look like summer, sept 21 is better.
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Post by alex992 on May 26, 2022 9:46:39 GMT -5
Meteorological makes sense for here. November 30 and March 1 have nearly identical averages, June 1 and September 1 are also similar in averages. June 21 is much warmer than Sept 21 here (79/56 vs 69/45 averages) and the difference between December 21 and March 21 is even bigger (24/7 vs 41/22).
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Post by Benfxmth on May 26, 2022 9:55:26 GMT -5
Meteorological makes more sense for here, as June 1st is a fair bit warmer than September 21st (83.7/63.4°F vs. 82.0/63.9°F); likewise, March 21st is much warmer than December 1st (66.1/42.6°F vs. 61.6/39.4°F). I think a relative definition beats both of them out of the water, though.
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Post by melonside421 on May 26, 2022 10:35:26 GMT -5
For Myrtle Beach:
Spring: February-April Summer: May-September Fall: October-December Winter: January
The true winter season is probably from around November-March but even then, there's plenty of warm for both ends of the winter. Even December is more fall-like than winter like, cause the average high is 58°F, same with February too. February is when the Bradford pears and maple trees start to wake up, along with daffodils and other hardier plants. By May, it already feels like summer, especially with the humidity. However, summer-tier weather can last all the way to late October, sometimes November, so not everything is so stable and clear. October's average low is 52°F, but the average high is 75°F, making even that a late summer month than early fall, more like an Indian summer than a real summer month, also due to daylight.
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Post by Ariete on May 26, 2022 10:40:57 GMT -5
Meteorological seasons make much more sense here except for winter. The permanent snowpack starts to form on average after the winter solstice, while first half of March is often full winter, depending on the year of course.
For other seasons it's more clear. For example the period between 1 and 15 June is 1.3C warmer than 1-15 September, and there's a dramatic difference in sun strength.
Finally, Midsummer is a major holiday in Finland, so making summer starting there feels a bit silly.
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Post by Steelernation on May 26, 2022 14:08:19 GMT -5
Meteorological.
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Post by firebird1988 on May 26, 2022 15:59:42 GMT -5
Meteorological, for 2 reasons.
1) It makes more sense based on observed temps
2) LKJ1988 prefers astronomical, so have to have the opposite view as that fuckstick just on principle
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Post by firebird1988 on May 26, 2022 16:00:26 GMT -5
Especially for Colorado, which got snow right after Labor Day in 2020, when it was still "summer" per astronomical definition...
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Post by srfoskey on May 26, 2022 16:46:35 GMT -5
June 10-September 9 is the hottest 3 month period in the OKC area.
November 27-February 26 is the coldest 3 month period in the area.
Those wind up closer to the meteorological seasons overall.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2022 17:20:39 GMT -5
Meteorological seasons are definitely more accurate for most of the world, as most places in the world reach their maximum/minimum temperature one month after the summer/winter solstice. However, places with a lot of coastal influence such as Cape Sable Island, San Francisco, Dakar and Nouadhibou have their maximum average temperature peak in September, close to the autumn equinox! In addition, places close to the North Pole such as Ilulissat, Eureka, Station Nord and Longyearbyen have their minimum average temperature peak in late February or even March! However, these examples are all exceptions to the general rule.
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Post by greysrigging on May 26, 2022 17:57:00 GMT -5
At 12*S we dont take any notice of either. Of course the media and general population like to use the 'traditional' terminology for the seasons and follow the 'traditional' calander months. For southern AU, I think the astronomical dates are a better fit, takes into account so called seasonal lag.
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Post by desiccatedi85 on May 26, 2022 21:29:17 GMT -5
Meteorological, better fit here even with the seasonal lag. March 21 slightly warmer than December 1, etc. Also, I like how meteorological are clean, 3 month sets. Always the same dates and it’s always full months, not parts of one and parts of another month.
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Post by Shaheen Hassan on May 27, 2022 2:01:06 GMT -5
Meteorological.
Meteorological seasons aren't always 3 equal months. In my country, the official division of seasons is:- Winter: Dec-Feb (3 months) Spring: Mar-Apr (2 months) Summer: May-Sep (5 months) Autumn: Oct-Nov (2 months)
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Post by Cheeseman on May 27, 2022 6:17:26 GMT -5
Meteorological. Meteorological seasons aren't always 3 equal months. In my country, the official division of seasons is:- Winter: Dec-Feb (3 months) Spring: Mar-Apr (2 months) Summer: May-Sep (5 months) Autumn: Oct-Nov (2 months) Interesting that summer is so much longer - but it makes sense considering I understand May through September are all pretty close to equal in terms of average temperatures at your location.
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