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Post by caspase8 on May 27, 2022 6:43:50 GMT -5
Definitely meteorological seasons. They're more logical, easier to remember and are usually accurate in temperate climates. I'd say they're a better fit for Melbourne, even considering our seasonal lag. Interestingly the local Aboriginal (Wurundjeri) people have a seasonal calendar with 7 seasons. |
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Post by Ethereal on Jun 4, 2022 22:33:44 GMT -5
Definitely meteorological seasons. They're more logical, easier to remember and are usually accurate in temperate climates. I'd say they're a better fit for Melbourne, even considering our seasonal lag. Interestingly the local Aboriginal (Wurundjeri) people have a seasonal calendar with 7 seasons. Sydney has six seasons according to Aboriginals: - January–March (Burran): Hot and dry
- April–June (Marrai'gang): Wet, becoming cooler
- June–July (Burrugin): Cold, frosty, short days
- July–August (Wiritjiribin): Cold and windy
- September–October (Ngoonungi): Cool, getting warmer
- November–December (Parra'dowee): Warm and wet
I don't think it's very accurate, or maybe the climate was very different back then. Because January-March is hardly "dry". It's warm and especially wet, and March is just very rainy, the most rainiest month in the year actualy. Nov-Dec is actually warm and dry though, but only compared to Jan-March. July-Aug are definitely cold and windy for sure. |
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Post by caspase8 on Jun 5, 2022 7:02:21 GMT -5
Sydney has six seasons according to Aboriginals: - January–March (Burran): Hot and dry
- April–June (Marrai'gang): Wet, becoming cooler
- June–July (Burrugin): Cold, frosty, short days
- July–August (Wiritjiribin): Cold and windy
- September–October (Ngoonungi): Cool, getting warmer
- November–December (Parra'dowee): Warm and wet
I don't think it's very accurate, or maybe the climate was very different back then. Because January-March is hardly "dry". It's warm and especially wet, and March is just very rainy, the most rainiest month in the year actualy. Nov-Dec is actually warm and dry though, but only compared to Jan-March. July-Aug are definitely cold and windy for sure.
Hmm, interesting. Those seasons seem like they'd be a better fit for Melbourne than Sydney, especially since November-December is our wettest period and March is our driest month on average. I guess it could be possible that Aboriginal tribes from the Melbourne and Sydney areas interacted and those from Sydney adopted the Melbournian seasonal calendar?
It could also be that Sydney's climate was different in the past, as you said. I think these seasons could have been a closer match during the last ice age, when the climate was cooler, drier and windier. I don't know if oral traditions can survive unchanged for 10,000+ years though.
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Post by aabc123 on Jun 5, 2022 15:53:45 GMT -5
Of course meteorological. The reasons have already been explained by the others.
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Post by Ethereal on Jun 5, 2022 19:12:01 GMT -5
Sydney has six seasons according to Aboriginals: - January–March (Burran): Hot and dry
- April–June (Marrai'gang): Wet, becoming cooler
- June–July (Burrugin): Cold, frosty, short days
- July–August (Wiritjiribin): Cold and windy
- September–October (Ngoonungi): Cool, getting warmer
- November–December (Parra'dowee): Warm and wet
I don't think it's very accurate, or maybe the climate was very different back then. Because January-March is hardly "dry". It's warm and especially wet, and March is just very rainy, the most rainiest month in the year actualy. Nov-Dec is actually warm and dry though, but only compared to Jan-March. July-Aug are definitely cold and windy for sure.
Hmm, interesting. Those seasons seem like they'd be a better fit for Melbourne than Sydney, especially since November-December is our wettest period and March is our driest month on average. I guess it could be possible that Aboriginal tribes from the Melbourne and Sydney areas interacted and those from Sydney adopted the Melbournian seasonal calendar?
It could also be that Sydney's climate was different in the past, as you said. I think these seasons could have been a closer match during the last ice age, when the climate was cooler, drier and windier. I don't know if oral traditions can survive unchanged for 10,000+ years though.
You raise some good points. I honestly have no idea. I mean, I've always found the Aboriginal seasons for Sydney pretty dubious. Even if Sydney's climate was like that 10,000 years you are right that the oral traditions wouldn't have survived for that long. Btw, Sydney's climate was a lot different in the late 1800s:  To my astonishment, July was wetter than February (nowadays, February is pretty rainy)! So maybe, going a few hundred years back, March would have been drier. So who knows. |
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